Please help, need advice

[Drew]

Several months ago I ordered a device called the foresking premium screw kit. It is comfortable and stays put and is discreet enough that I can wear it basically all the time except for when working out

the device is here:
(https://foresking.com/product/screw-kit-premium/)

This device is amainly an inner skin stretching device (since there is no tugging strap or weights, etc that might provide a force AWAY from the body. But the glans is pressed in with the pusher quite a bit, and the tension to push it in further can be created by screwing the pusher in further.

so I sent an email to the seller about a concern I have, asking him about outer skin stretching. Here was my question to him:

"Is using the device with just the short rod and 2 screws useful for only stretching the inner skin or does it so stretch the outer skin too? Or would I need to tug or add weights or rubber bands or something to target outer skin too?"

here was his response:

"Hello, I do not recommend tugging or weight methods because they can stretch the pubic area skin and move the pubic hair and scrotum skin towards the penis shaft. This will result in a less natural look and thicker skin. The device can simultaneously work the inner and outer skin but it depends on how tight you were cut. By target the inner skin first, being a thinner skin, it will give a more natural result. The use of spacers is for when it is possible or you have progress, you can put more skin under tension and speed up the process and also target more of the outer skin.
You can use only the screw with the nuts and you will have progress. For best results I recommend do 1 or 2 minutes of manual skin stretching with moderate or high tension before using the device. You don't need to use the device with high tension for best results. High tension with device could be uncomfortable and could cause injuries."

what do yall think about this? Do you think that by not getting much outer skin stretching I am setting myself up for a less than ideal result in the end? (I'm about a CI3, maybe CI4)

thank you so much for your thoughts!!!!!!

[forescore]

Most restorers start with a lack of former inner skin remnant. I have been restoring for 14 + years, 13 of them on again off again manual tugging focusing only on inner skin the same way your device does and I started at CI-0 and at CI-5 a little over a year ago I started using devices. During that time I used mostly inflation. I'm now a CI-9. I have never used a strap. I still don’t have enough former inner skin remnant for my scarline to reach the rollover point while flaccid. That is my goal. Once I reach that point, I will be placing my scarline at the rollover point on the device to stress both former inner skin remnant and outer skin remnant....still using reverse tensioning like you do with your device.

KOT

[greg_b]

I think the response you got form the manufacturer leaves something to be desired. He seems to have some ideas that are not well supported by the evidence I have seen. As far as your specific questions, I have a few thoughts.

first, how much inner and outer skin did/do you have? And, what is your goal(s)? That will help you decide what is your best course of action. for example, some men want to just get skin as fast as possible, and do not care about how much inner vs outer they end up with. Others want to make sure their scar is hidden. Others want to have inner on the inside, outer on the outside, and complete coverage when flaccid. Having your goal in mind will help you decide what methods will make you the most comfortable.

My experience is with only inner skin focused methods, tape with an insert, and inflation. While those would be expected to focus on the inner skin mostly, and one might think there would be little outer skin growth, I have grown a lot of outer skin too, and would say that the outer "has kept up" with the inner skin growth. So the first suggestion I have is to not worry too much about which skin you are targeting right now, and keep doing what you are doing. Monitor what happens, you may find you are growing inner and outer skin quite well.

Things to keep in mind is that this is a slow process, and we only have partial control over what actually grows. That is both good and bad. Bad because we want to get this done as quickly as possible, good in that we have a lot of time to make adjustments, add supplemental tugging to target specific areas, and see how we like the partial results. If you find over time that you are growing more inner skin and not enough outer skin, you can always add some outer skin focused tugging, either by how you arrange your skin in the gripper, or by adding manual or other methods into the mix.

We have no control over how thick the resulting skin will be, but many would argue against a strategy that only targets inner skin in the hope that the results will be thinner skin. Keep in mind that we are putting stress on the skin, so it will be thicker while we tug. This is documented in the scientific literature on skin expansion. And, like our anecdotal knowledge, the researchers find that it can take a year or more for the swelling to dissipate and the skin to reach its final state.

Hairy skin does not migrate the way his answer states, quite the opposite. As you grow more skin, the skin in the pubic area will settle back toward your body. That is assuming you were cut so tight that your skin was being pulled up toward your glans. In addition, the hair follicles do not multiply as we grow skin, so if anything, the skin will look less hairy, even if the skin were to migrate, or you had so much skin removed that you need to grow hairy skin because that is all you have. finally, there are methods for dealing with unwanted hair, and the amount of hair one has that is visible is highly variable among individuals.

Hope that helps you sort out what you want to do. Sounds like you are doing well, keep on tugging!

[admin]

"Is using the device with just the short rod and 2 screws useful for only stretching the inner skin or does it so stretch the outer skin too? Or would I need to tug or add weights or rubber bands or something to target outer skin too?"

I recommend adding weights or straps when feasible, because it makes it much easier and more comfortable to tension all your shaft skin (inner and outer) effectively.

Relying solely on pushing action to get good outer-facing skin tension requires you to work harder every time you apply the device. During application, you'll wrestle with that outer facing skin drawing it up onto the device with more effort, to "pre-tension" the outer-facing skin. Then you balance that with pushing action to get great inner-side tension. Because the outer-facing skin is tensioned by your fingers rather than a source that can be experimentally fine-tuned by the 4-Hour Rule, you'll need to re-apply more often because you're more likely to trap skin wrinkles that bring in discomfort earlier and you're more likely to get inconsistent tension. So make the 4-Hour Rule (http://TLCTugger.com/4-hour-rule/ {http://TLCTugger.com/4-hour-rule/}) while you tug this way.

"I do not recommend tugging or weight methods because they can stretch the pubic area skin and move the pubic hair and scrotum skin towards the penis shaft."

Not a widely held view, to be sure. If that were true, it would be true when following my advice above also. It's not true. Any shaft skin you can expand will only decrease the amount of non-shaft skin drawn onto the shaft upon erection.

The device can simultaneously work the inner and outer skin but it depends on how tight you were cut.

In fact, someone who was cut super tight couldn't follow my advice above, because in effect they're already going to be straining to apply the device. But as the gained slack they'd want to adjust the device length to make sure it's always still a challenge to apply like it was at first.

The use of spacers is for when it is possible or you have progress, you can put more skin under tension

Lengthening the device with spacers means more of your skin will be facing in while you wear it. If you're careful, all your skin will be under tension.

You don't need to use the device with high tension for best results. High tension with device could be uncomfortable and could cause injuries."

Yes. In my opinion you're much better off using gentle tension that stays comfortable 4 hours at a time, for a total 10-12 hours per day. Keep your skin retained over the glans 24/7 when you're not tugging.

[jstick]

This is my anecdotal experience, but doesn’t seem to align with the response he gave you. I started out with the TLC Tugger and used it for 10+ months (still using it in addition to the HyperRestore DA), which didn’t cause the hair on my shaft to move up the penis at any time. It seems to stretch both the inner and outer skin, and causing skin growth for both outer and inner. I’m very happy with the TLC Tugger. I was cut fairly tight, and have a decent amount of for skin left, I don’t think it wasn’t enough to use the device you’re using.

I don’t have any issues with my scrotum or otherwise. That statement just seems odd to me. The TLC Tugger is pulling down toward the ground so there’s minimal (maybe none?) tension on the scrotum.

[Nthehood]

Here is a response I got my Admin regarding weights:
"The tensile force we apply is transmitted from the gripping point, and through all the skin until the skin finds itself anchored solidly at the sulcus (for inner-facing tension) or near the base of the penis (for outer-facing skin tension). Some tension is even felt by the skin at the pubic mound.

But there's a lucky accident of geometry working in our favor. Skin doesn't care about tugging force, any more than ropes or steel beams do. What they are "motivated" by is STRESS, which engineers define as FORCE divided by the cross-sectional AREA the force acts upon.

The hairy skin is thicker, so it has a greater cross sectional area, and is therefore under less stress from the same force application. The skin at the pubic mound radiates out in all directions, so it has a greater cross-section and is under less stress than the actual shaft skin, and it will expand less.

Even if some non-shaft skin does expand some, any actual shaft skin we manage to expand will only decrease the amount of non-shaft skin forced onto the shaft upon erection."