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    I am new to restoring, and I have the TLC Tugger. I am fortunate enough to already have a lot of skin even though I am circumcised. I am able to pull the skin over the head completely with overhang when soft very easily. When I am hard I can still pull the skin far enough over the head to cover everything but the very tip with ease. I am between a CI-3 and CI-4, but I can easily pull it manually to a CI-9 without any tension. If the skin were to just roll over the head instead of bunch up over it, I would look at least partially intact. Should I be taking a different approach than tugging? Should I be focused on getting the skin to rollover or will that just come with tugging more? I'm sorry for asking a lot of questions, which may be stupid questions (I'm not sure). I hope everything I've written makes sense. If anybody can give me some insight/advice, that would be fantastic.

    Thank You!

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    I'm not the most experienced restorer, but keep in mind the main goal is for inner skin to be touching the glans and outer over it. If you feel it's necessary to focus on outter skin, then by all means you can. But outer does take longer to grow, and you more then likely still need more of each, so i think you may be able to worry about that later on and just focus on general growth for now.

    Someone with alittle more experience then me will hopefully be able to give you there take on it.
    Last edited by LetsGrow; 01-29-2016, 05:35 PM. Reason: Typo's

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    • #3
      I understand about the inner and outer foreskin. Not sure how you increase inner when there is only 1 mm there.

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      • #4
        Hi, bk108890, welcome to the forum!

        Originally posted by bk108890 View Post
        If the skin were to just roll over the head instead of bunch up over it, I would look at least partially intact. Should I be taking a different approach than tugging? Should I be focused on getting the skin to rollover or will that just come with tugging more?
        You seem to have a very good starting point for restoration. The approach is clear: use some tugging method until you grow enough skin as to have your glans covered permanently. You seem to have a Forced erect Coverage (FEC) of ~100% according to your description, and seem to be in the "hump phase", where your skin bunches up against your corona (CI-3 --> CI-4 transition) but doesn't roll over it permanently.

        So, I would start off with some manual tugging, until you get used to tugging, guess the proper level tension, know your skin elasticity limit... Then I would try some restoration device. With time (months) you'll see if you need to focus more on inner or outer skin, but for now just start tugging.

        Good luck! Don't hesitate to ask any question you may have, you'll receive good advice here.
        From Madrid, Spain. Restoring with T-Tape, Manual, TLC & TLC-X since Jan 2014. Started as a CI-2, currently between CI-4 and CI-5 depending on the day.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LetsGrow View Post
          the main goal is for inner skin to be touching the glans and outer over it. If you feel it's necessary to focus on outter skin, then by all means you can. But outer does take longer to grow, and you more then likely still need more of each, so i think you may be able to worry about that later on and just focus on general growth for now.
          That's the idea. The goal is to grow both types of skin in such a way that the end result* resembles an OEM foreskin (see picture) with the soft mucosal inner skin facing in (touching your glans) and the outer skin facing out. This point in time usually coincides with 200% Forced Erect Coverage, where full flaccid coverage occurs [citation needed]. Click image for larger version

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          Here the term "Point Of Equilibrium" (POE) comes into play. You can think of it as an imaginary "tatoo point" that you can tatoo on your skin at a certain position (FFRP, there's an Excel sheet hera and there to calculate it based on your metrics). The idea is to use that point as the rollover point while you apply the TLC/TLC-X/canister tuggers or do manual methods #1, #3, #4, #5, throughout your restoration process. Then, that tatoo point is supposed to end up at the very tip of our skin when done*.
          * end result for a first goal of full flaccid coverage. You can keep on tugging after this point, of course...

          As a practical example, imagine the below pictures are of a flaccid penis (forget the above picture). Dark blue is outer skin, red is inner skin. The yellow dot is the tatoo point. Inner and outer skins join at the circ scar.

          Day 1: The dot is tatooed at the calculated position (FFRP). You start your restoration and get committed to it. Click image for larger version

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          Day 365 (being optimistic). The dot is now at the tip. Click image for larger version

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          As you can see, your POE does not necessarily fall at your circ scar, but will determine where the tip of your foreskin will end up at. Also note that this way the circ scar will end up hidden inside the skin tube, near the tip.

          Anyway, enough for a quick question. Just focus on general growth for now.
          From Madrid, Spain. Restoring with T-Tape, Manual, TLC & TLC-X since Jan 2014. Started as a CI-2, currently between CI-4 and CI-5 depending on the day.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bk108890 View Post
            I am new to restoring, and I have the TLC Tugger. I am fortunate enough to already have a lot of skin even though I am circumcised. I am able to pull the skin over the head completely with overhang when soft very easily. When I am hard I can still pull the skin far enough over the head to cover everything but the very tip with ease. I am between a CI-3 and CI-4, but I can easily pull it manually to a CI-9 without any tension. If the skin were to just roll over the head instead of bunch up over it, I would look at least partially intact. Should I be taking a different approach than tugging? Should I be focused on getting the skin to rollover or will that just come with tugging more? I'm sorry for asking a lot of questions, which may be stupid questions (I'm not sure). I hope everything I've written makes sense. If anybody can give me some insight/advice, that would be fantastic.

            Thank You!
            The fact is, you just need to tug. Period. Tugging for more shaft skin will eventually give you enough to spontaneously roll over the corona, or, you just need to pull it down and it will stay there virtually all day, especially if your inner tissue has become functional, ie is allowing fluid to pass across itself; this will act as a sticky traction. Wear tighter underwear and this is just about locked in. Keep in mind that many intact guys find themselves pulling their foreskin down because it rolled back. If you want to focus on inner mucosa primarily then manual tugging is the easiest method because you can place tension just where you want it. Keep in mind that any tugging on shaft skin (forward, straight out, or back towards the pubis) will expand a bit of inner tissue because tension will be placed on it to a degree, but probably not enough if you want significantly more. Also be aware that tugging inner tissue is painful. And LetsGrow has it wrong: it's generally accepted that inner tissue grows slower, partly because of the pain (a practical reason), and partly because its response to tugging isn't the same process as shaft skin's response to stress.

            Also: what the newbies never refer to is the fact that your current inner tissue will inevitably be under any tube your roll your skin down into, because it can't do anything else. Your inner tissue stops at the scar, and your shaft skin begins on the other side of the scar. And......the guys who think that you are creating a tube with a leading edge through pulling on a specific point (the so-called POE) don't seem to understand that there is no tube in reality, just loose shaft skin. If there isn't a permanent tube then there isn't a permanent point you have to worry about; not before, not during, not after. But people want control, or the illusion of control, in tugging. Don't sweat that, just tug.

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            • #7
              Yeah, I guess we, in one way or another, want to give our restoration the finest control. Sometimes it can be just an illusion.
              As Ron said in another thread,
              We have a formula (see attached spreadsheet) for helping restorers choose where upon their present skin they might like their Future Flaccid Roll-over Point (FFRP) to fall. We had a discussion of this at the old forum but it was never really made any clearer than what I've just typed
              So yes, the POE/FRRP approach may not be clear, but like so many other things, with research we can tell if it proves effective or is simply wrong.

              Anyway, either newbies or experienced restorers, or just joined-in members, we are all here with the same right to share our experience, research, thoughts and knowledge. And knowledge, preferably backed up with links to studies or documents. I think this is a good place to discuss openly, always from respect.
              From Madrid, Spain. Restoring with T-Tape, Manual, TLC & TLC-X since Jan 2014. Started as a CI-2, currently between CI-4 and CI-5 depending on the day.

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              • #8
                Thanks for the helpful illustrations. I will post a couple of pictures (the old site had some) that will show how little inner I have. Also one to show the rollover which is mostly outer skin. Not sure I can do any better.

                My photo files were too large to upload, will try later.
                Last edited by John Lewis; 02-01-2016, 08:35 AM. Reason: Post script

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