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    Look, I know this is old territory, but I feel like I want to ask this question one more time.

    Why do heavy weights in excess of 18 ounces not yield more results. Or extreme amounts of tension?

    I have been limited by the fact that anything over 18 ounces seems to put my body into code red, and immediately I feel like I am having a stroke.

    But for the general public, some have used extreme amounts of weight and tension, and reported no ill effects.

    But why aren't most tuggers using more weight, and why are people reporting that more weight will actually slow your restoration?

    Why is there this "sweet spot" where the tension is just right, giving the most gains?

    I feel like if a device was made with the purpose of extreme amounts of weight/tension, by which it could be facilitated effectively, then maybe more weight could help the cause?

    So far it seems a novelty at best, with pictures circulating of the Tug Ahoy founder with 2 milk jugs hanging from a not so impressive foreskin, and the infamous Roberto Cabrera, who essentially destroyed his penis with high amounts of weight, making it unrecognizable.

    And on a quick side note, why are there so few devices out there? I feel like a new idea is just about to break, that could really take restoration to new heights. I am talking about a permanent device, one that once it is on, does not come off until the restoration is completed. A device that can be cleaned and urinated through, and after 2 years be taken off to a huge amount of overhang. Of course, I can't get past the logistical nightmare that restoration actually is. I mean the clumsiness and flawed devices that are currently available are a complete testament to the difficulty the is foreskin restoration.

    That being said of course I am very grateful for all devices on the market. I am on to something, and I believe that night time sleeping restoration is going to become the new norm, and if done correctly will sky rocket the gains of folks like us.

    Take care,
    Salamander
    PROGRESS GALLERY

  • #2
    Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
    Look, I know this is old territory, but I feel like I want to ask this question one more time.

    Why do heavy weights in excess of 18 ounces not yield more results. Or extreme amounts of tension?

    I have been limited by the fact that anything over 18 ounces seems to put my body into code red, and immediately I feel like I am having a stroke.

    But for the general public, some have used extreme amounts of weight and tension, and reported no ill effects.

    But why aren't most tuggers using more weight, and why are people reporting that more weight will actually slow your restoration?

    Why is there this "sweet spot" where the tension is just right, giving the most gains?

    I feel like if a device was made with the purpose of extreme amounts of weight/tension, by which it could be facilitated effectively, then maybe more weight could help the cause?

    So far it seems a novelty at best, with pictures circulating of the Tug Ahoy founder with 2 milk jugs hanging from a not so impressive foreskin, and the infamous Roberto Cabrera, who essentially destroyed his penis with high amounts of weight, making it unrecognizable.

    And on a quick side note, why are there so few devices out there?..........
    Take care,
    Salamander
    1. Heavy weights pinch off the blood vessels which carry the biochemicals which begin and support mitosis. This is one reason why cycles are effective: they allow blood flow. If you can't get those biochemicals to the tissues, the tissues don't add to themselves via their 'program'.

    2. Same for heavy tension. This supports Ron's suggestion (and perhaps personal experience?) for light tension.

    3. The "sweet spot" is a mental perception. It ain't scientific per se, probably because an individual's perception differs from the next individual. This is a guess on my part. Keep in mind, this perception lies on the borderline of a feeling, and the beginning of pain. It is used as a measuring strategy.

    4. The photos of the TA and milk jug was promotional, not a recommendation for using heavy weight. His point was that the TA wouldn't cause pain, which was untrue. It caused pain for sure, which is why he built in that wire strut, so you could push back on the strut to relieve pain which can come from "regular" use.

    5. Hope you can see that 'heavy weight" is ill advised, not real-world, and ineffective (not to mention potentially damaging).

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    • #3
      Another member and I were discussing and he said the high tension is what matters.

      Although people have said retaining at night gives you faster gains.

      So tugging at night at low tension seems like it would speed up gains just a little.

      I personally think Rons dangler method with the pulley looks pretty comfortable.

      It’s more comfortable than the size genetics traction rig, that thing hurts my balls lol.

      I’m going to try wearing the traction rig tonight at very low tension and will report back.

      My theory is that the low tension retains and molds the body. Similar to those rings the African tribes use to elongate their neck.

      The body would be under high tension during the day than molds itself with the low tension at night.

      So if we do high tension during the day and low at night 24/7 our foreskins would be completely restored within about 2 years then we start getting serious overhang if we continue.



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      • #4
        What makes you think heavier weights and/or more/extreme tension is better?

        We are triggering the cells to "think" they need to grow more skin. Is more always better for everything, in your experience? If some food is good, is more always better? If some exercise is good, is more always better? If some heat is good, is more always better?

        How many men even use extreme weights and/or tension? Perhaps some try and get injured, so stop? All my skin tears were the result of too much tension. I do not agree that higher/extreme tension is helpful. That is why I try and say optimal tension for triggering skin growth.

        Regards

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        • #5
          Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
          Why do heavy weights in excess of 18 ounces not yield more results. Or extreme amounts of tension?
          Maybe they do for some people. Depends on how tough your skin is, and also how long the tension is held. For one guy 18oz is painfully much, for another guy 18oz is nothin'.

          I'm convinced foreskin restoration is like cancer. One guy smokes all his life and lives to be 100, another guy never smokes a day in his life and dies of lung cancer. One guy tugs 12 hours a day and takes 15 years to get restored, another guy tugs 15 minutes a day and has it done in 3 years.

          Life is weird and doesn't make any sense.

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          • #6
            You MUST experiment with tension/time. Everyone's "ideal" tension/time routine is different. Basically you want to go to the elastic limit of your skin plus a little more. Too much and your body goes into repair mode, too little and nothing happens. A little "burn" after a bout 30 minutes is OK, but it should subside quickly upon removing your device. 30 minutes at a time is very effective. This is called "cyclic tension" and is how skin is grown for burn victims, but they use WAY more tension than we need for restoration and they are not so concerned with skin quality for grafts.

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            • #7
              I agree with parsecskin (this makes twice in this thread ). Too much weight elongates and thereby pinches off the micro blood vessels which carry the growth factor to the stressed site, which causes mitosis/cell division. This was proven by scientific research into skin expansion. I can't find the abstract which addressed this or I would link it to this thread. I'll keep looking. The photo of a milk jug as "weight" was promotional, not a suggestion. He was promoting the abscence of pain with his device, not suggesting that heavy weight (8.6 pounds!) was the way to go.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by greg_b View Post
                What makes you think heavier weights and/or more/extreme tension is better?

                We are triggering the cells to "think" they need to grow more skin. Is more always better for everything, in your experience? If some food is good, is more always better? If some exercise is good, is more always better? If some heat is good, is more always better?

                How many men even use extreme weights and/or tension? Perhaps some try and get injured, so stop? All my skin tears were the result of too much tension. I do not agree that higher/extreme tension is helpful. That is why I try and say optimal tension for triggering skin growth.

                Regards
                I ask a question and get ten back. There's a life lesson here somewhere! :P
                PROGRESS GALLERY

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                  Another member and I were discussing and he said the high tension is what matters.

                  Although people have said retaining at night gives you faster gains.

                  So tugging at night at low tension seems like it would speed up gains just a little.

                  I personally think Rons dangler method with the pulley looks pretty comfortable.

                  It’s more comfortable than the size genetics traction rig, that thing hurts my balls lol.

                  I’m going to try wearing the traction rig tonight at very low tension and will report back.

                  My theory is that the low tension retains and molds the body. Similar to those rings the African tribes use to elongate their neck.

                  The body would be under high tension during the day than molds itself with the low tension at night.

                  So if we do high tension during the day and low at night 24/7 our foreskins would be completely restored within about 2 years then we start getting serious overhang if we continue.


                  Yes, if someone could tug for 12 hours during the day, and maybe use light tension at night, I bet you are right, they would almost double their gains.

                  If a night time device was made specifically for this purpose with up to 18 ounces of tension.... I am starting to think, something with a battery.... I love the devices available and am forever grateful for them, but why stop there, we could be using powered devices with recordable tension in ounces, dialing in our routines, perhaps following a routine of someone who finished quickly.

                  If all else fails, embrace the journey, however long it may be right?
                  PROGRESS GALLERY

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                  • #10
                    Here is my personal experience. Extreme tension does nothing to increase results. There seems to be a limit to how fast skin can grow. As long as the skin is stretched to its limit plus a little more it should trigger mitosis, everyone is different, but for me 18 oz is where my sweet spot is.

                    *********I have added pictures of me with OVER 6 LBS (POUNDS) of tension and also a link to a video.***********

                    http://www.pornhost.com/2662987752

                    I can hold this for over 1 hour if I want to. I am just doing this for an example. Anything above 18 oz adds NOTHING for me as far as speed of restoration. Also I suffer no ill effects, no stretch marks or skin tears or pain. Its just extra weight. This restoration process has been going on for a long time, there should already be a science to this. Why is this still an experiment?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by foreskinproject View Post
                      Here is my personal experience. Extreme tension does nothing to increase results. There seems to be a limit to how fast skin can grow. As long as the skin is stretched to its limit plus a little more it should trigger mitosis, everyone is different, but for me 18 oz is where my sweet spot is.

                      *********I have added pictures of me with OVER 6 LBS (POUNDS) of tension and also a link to a video.***********

                      http://www.pornhost.com/2662987752

                      I can hold this for over 1 hour if I want to. I am just doing this for an example. Anything above 18 oz adds NOTHING for me as far as speed of restoration. Also I suffer no ill effects, no stretch marks or skin tears or pain. Its just extra weight. This restoration process has been going on for a long time, there should already be a science to this. Why is this still an experiment?
                      Thank you for this post, this is amazing man, you have alot of skin there.

                      What is that purple gripper??? Where can I buy that?

                      Any details on you routine would be appreciated. I am using the same PUD GP but with tape and am up to 40 ounces (2lbs). Seems to be working faster than 18 ounces. I also usually use 18 ounces, and have been seeing steady progress. I am really more or less experimenting with double the weight because I can't put in the hours needed, only about 2-4 most days, sometimes 6.

                      EDIT: Found your one year project. Thank you for the scientific notations and details. I appreciate it.
                      PROGRESS GALLERY

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post

                        Thank you for this post, this is amazing man, you have alot of skin there.

                        What is that purple gripper??? Where can I buy that?

                        Any details on you routine would be appreciated. I am using the same PUD GP but with tape and am up to 40 ounces (2lbs). Seems to be working faster than 18 ounces. I also usually use 18 ounces, and have been seeing steady progress. I am really more or less experimenting with double the weight because I can't put in the hours needed, only about 2-4 most days, sometimes 6.

                        EDIT: Found your one year project. Thank you for the scientific notations and details. I appreciate it.
                        i thought you said in an earlier post you were gonna use 10oz or so? because the heavier weight was too much for your fragile skin.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tommyreptar3 View Post

                          i thought you said in an earlier post you were gonna use 10oz or so? because the heavier weight was too much for your fragile skin.
                          Yes usually the weight would cause adverse reactions and I was not able to go higher than 18 ounces. I am trying this now, and because of my skin growth, the skin itself seems to be taking the bulk of the weight and not my pelvic area. (This is a theory obviously). I am able to do 40 ounces now, without an issue, other than the tape failing...

                          I am supplementing with ginseng during the day, a multi, (hair skin nails formula), and magnesium at night. The magnesium seems to help alot.
                          PROGRESS GALLERY

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                          • #14
                            I am going to say that more weight as long as it does not pinch, will stretch the skin farther and result in faster restoration progress.

                            The problems that occur with tugging with 30 to 40 ounces instead of 15 to 20 is that, the device/tape may fail more consistently, and pinching can be an issue, and blisters can result if not carefully checked.

                            But if you can get more weight/tension, from my experience it will speed up the restoration process, especially if 12 hours is never going to happen for you.

                            Users have reported that they could not start with alot of weight but rather built up to it over months and years.

                            This seems to be the case with me as the skin seems to take the weight better now that I have more to work with, whereas at first the pelvic area was inflamed severely with anything near 20 ounces.
                            PROGRESS GALLERY

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                            • #15
                              I have an idea for a device that can be worn at night (or during the day), but it would take months of hard work to fully develop. Essentially it would be an inflatable cylinder that could extend to 12 to 16 inches long. A balloon type device but one that would retain its shape. It would be deflated and an o ring or tape would seal it off under your existing foreskin. Once secured, it would be inflated to its full length, allowing the skin to stretch as you sleep.

                              It would be similar to having a penile implant, putting an O ring on, or taping your foreskin shut tightly and securely, and then pumping the penile implant to a full erection.

                              The erection would stretch the skin over night naturally, and your sleep would never be effected in any way.

                              Only foreseeable problem with the device would be pressure on the glans back into the pelvic area, but I feel like that would not be an issue really, as the device could be removed in seconds if trouble arises.

                              This device, if used consistently would make a 2 year restoration a reality for everyone, even those without the option of day time tugging.

                              This is like the balloon method, but with a cylindrical balloon that maintains the shape of an erect penis and can get to 16 inches if desired over time.
                              PROGRESS GALLERY

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