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  • #31
    Let us remember to post in a manner that would be suitable even if the human being behind the user name we're responding to was actually a loved one or respected colleague.
    -Ron Low
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Reality View Post
      Where to begin.

      1. We don't use "traction", we use tension; we place tension on shaft skin and mucosa. Traction is a different force; traction is an effect placed on surfaces. Tension, used in both clinical skin expansion and in what we do, applies its effect on an internal, living layer of skin, resulting in a stimulation of an internal "program" if you will, which calls up a cascade of biochemicals which stimulate normal cell division to accelerate a bit, leading to skin growth.

      2. "Ok": yes, ok. Its a word I use, its in common usage, and I'm not sure why you have a problem with it. Please explain.

      3.Gundog is correct for the simple reason that distal tension inevitably pulls on both shaft skin and mucosa. This is such a basic in restoration that I didn't think explanation was needed (neither did he, if you'll notice).

      4. Actually I have answered your questions (as I'm doing here), but my posts have to pass a review so there is a time lag, or no appearance of them at all.

      5. Ok, your comments have degraded so I will say this in a somewhat more direct way: you display the usual social media "feed me, feed me" behavior regarding your request to "post some links". I do post links, many of them actually, some of which can be found throughout this forum, but the issue here with you is: YOU post some links or examples of what your are "critically" referring to when you critique my comments. It would be helpful for more readers here than just you and I. The fact that you don't seem to aware of them and the fact that I do post links means that your critique of my comments are baseless.

      6. The word is bullshit, not "bulldust". What kind of half-stepping whatever uses the word 'bulldust"? I'll answer for you: the kind that tries to character-assinate a la social media by trying to portray someone as a know-it-all (and you didn't even do this directly enough, with your "if"). I don't know it all, but I do know more than you do about practically everything regarding restoration, human anatomy and physiology, and the clinical issues in clinical skin expansion. THAT'S the kicker on this forum; you think I'm arrogant just for saying this, but it happens to be the truth. You don't seem to know much yet you characterize what has been given to you as negative, ie "pessimistic". The thing about you guys is that you don't read yours own "bulldust" lol.

      7. Me (and my cohort Distalero) have both, for years, compared the usual magical thinking, myth, and self-promotion on this and the old forum with what Science has to say about an issue. There is no polite way to do this, using your standards. In fact, by your standards, pointing out someone's nonsense is the same as an attack. I assure you, in the professional world it isn't.
      It seems that just trying to talk to you is a slippery slope, and that you seem to want an argument without being capable of supporting one that's even remotely legitimate without it devolving into random gibberish; you want me to respond but I don't even want to try and unpack your garbled nonsense (it's not even wrong); your thinking is confused, chaotic and disjointed to a point that it's almost (and at times is) gibberish, and you seem to have difficulty understanding even just basic communication; what's more, the tone of your response is such that it's obvious that whatever I say isn't going to make a blind bit of difference,..

      ...so trying to explain the meaning of "Okay...?" to you, for example, would be pointless; your inability to understand it in the first place (if it's not just a stupid avoidance strategy), just serves to bear that out. In other words: if you don't understand it, I'm not going to be able to explain it to you; but then nothing I say to you is going to be heard by you, unless it confirms or supports your own viewpoint and/or world-view.

      Believe it or not this is self-evident to probably most of the people reading this; I can assure you of that, but your inability to understand this, is symptomatic of a larger problem; one that isn't going to be solvable by a few critical forum posts...

      ...for instance, you already need to have your posts vetted and censored and you're probably well aware that the people on this forum don't particularly like the way you speak to them, or the way you conduct yourself (due to forum guidelines I can't suggest that they don't like you, although their responses probably bare that out) ...but you can't seem to help yourself: it's not that you just don't care, although you probably don't, but that you're actually not able to stop yourself from behaving in such a manner...

      ...but that doesn't matter because you and (as you put it) "[your] cohort Distalero", are above, beyond, distinguished and removed from us brainless, worthless idiots, who's only real use is to bask in your awe-inspiring, intellect, and wait with bated breath for you to show us the error of our stupid pointless ways.

      I'll be frank with you, just to make things easier for you: I don't want your help; I'd rather you just didn't respond to me; I don't need or want what you're offering and I don't think the forum needs it. I think it'd do just as well without you and would be better off if you were banned.

      To reiterate, again I think it's pointless arguing with you, and if you have to ask me why, I invite you to re-read what I've written above. If you still don't get it, ask someone else to help you with it...because I'm not interested; if you do get it: again: ask someone else to help you with it...because, really and truly, I'm not interested.

      Lastly...using the term "traction" is perfectly acceptable re. the vernacular in use here.

      Originally posted by admin View Post
      Let us remember to post in a manner that would be suitable even if the human being behind the user name we're responding to was actually a loved one or respected colleague.
      Ron, I appreciate the sentiment I really do, but while some might respond to a "tough love" type approach...some people you just can't reach, especially when they're given virtual carte blanche to behave however they like.

      Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
      There goes my hero. :P

      Finish im' Rango.
      I can't...

      ...it's up to Ron to do that.
      Last edited by Rango; 12-31-2019, 11:44 AM.

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      • #33
        I'm out, there is no point in discussion with the internet generation. They're fragile, used to having their asses kissed, and they only see themselves and their own little world. "Traction", right. They stand in the face of the years of restoration history, and will step on all that has been learned in a grass roots practice, which they have no respect for. There are very few of us willing to stand up to his type;in other words, very few who can answer your questions. Go back and read this thread, see what's transpired, it's all in black and white. Good luck, silent newbies. Know-nothings like Rango (who self-admittedly is a newbie) prize ignorance above your right and ability to HEAL yourself (just go on monitoring his comments; you'll see; they can't hide). Restoration is a healing practice, but it has inherent risks and a ton of attendant bullshit, myth and self promotion, so know the players, and read critically.

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        • #34
          PROGRESS GALLERY

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          • #35
            Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
            snip: "Defy Reality" meme
            Squabbling with him isn't going to help.

            It's best to either tolerate or just ignore the guy; it's pointless trying to argue with him: He'll never shut up and will just overwhelm you with endless verbiage until you throw your hands up in the air and walk away, and he'll think that's "a win"...

            ...all that continuing to argue with him would do is fill the forum with vitriol, which is no good for anyone here.

            As long as Ron considers Reality an asset, Reality is going to be here, albeit in an edited, censored form.

            As Reality says himself:
            Originally posted by Reality View Post
            I don't know it all, but I do know more than you do about practically everything regarding restoration, human anatomy and physiology, and the clinical issues in clinical skin expansion. THAT'S the kicker on this forum...
            ...and that's pretty much the crux of it right there: as long as Ron considers him an asset, Reality can behave in whatever way he likes and not get banned.

            I'd like to think that the above line from Reality would be "the kicker" that gets him kicked off of the forum, but I don't think that's going to happen; and Reality's probably quite assured that it's not.

            Personally I don't think for what he has to offer it's worth inflicting his behaviour on the forum members; I don't think there's anything technically useful that he can offer or would offer if he could, to what's an extremely simple process to begin with. I believe that even if he did have extra or specialised information that could help, given what he seems to be like, I'd assume he'd withhold it just for the sheer delight of doing so.

            Reality is here for his own ego, not to help people here; or at least I would hope that's the case, otherwise we probably are dealing with a total nutcase, rather than someone with just a seemingly antisocial and offensive personality...but I believe the former is almost certainly true, and that none of this is coming from the goodness of his heart.

            Given the fundamental simplicity of the restoration process, I think that whatever "good" he can, or might, do here is far, far outweighed by the trouble and irritation he causes. I think he should absolutely be removed from the forum, and I would have banned him a long time ago...but it's not my call.

            Ultimately, my advice is, other than lobbying Ron to get rid of the guy: if he irritates you, just ignore him.
            Last edited by Rango; 01-01-2020, 11:45 AM.

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            • #36
              Rango, you tried your best dueling with the much feared Reality... I enjoyed it very much. But one thing, I am hesitant to accuse or ask for a member's removal in any way. Here's why: If you remove one member for his posts, next thing you know they will remove other members as well. The fact that he is censored makes me realize that they can censor anyone they want, at any time. Did he deserve it, probably, but he stepped over the line in an obvious way by attacking members of the community that did not deserve it... He has toned it down quite a bit, what I see here is he seems to be trying to provoke you into a duel of sorts, but you haven't really taken the bait.

              Take it all with a grain of salt, and keep on tugging I say. The admins here have a great attitude, and seem to actually be very lenient with the community. I hope it stays this way. I like what Ron said, treat people as if they are a family member. This should make the environment that much better.

              See you on the board.
              PROGRESS GALLERY

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              • #37
                Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
                Rango, you tried your best dueling with the much feared Reality... I enjoyed it very much.
                I guess, and maybe it'll help straighten him out a little but somehow I doubt it...

                ...people like Reality have a non-argument answer for every argument: " No...because, I don't care."...

                ...it's not something that's debatable, and whatever response to it that you can come up with is more than likely going to be in violation of the forum guidelines.

                Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
                ...I am hesitant to accuse or ask for a member's removal in any way. Here's why...
                I appreciate what you're saying re. not wanting to see someone removed, but I've been on boards where someone like Reality wouldn't have lasted a week, and I don't think that's a bad thing. It kept the forum as a place where we didn't have to put up with this kind of bull-crap, and made everyone very respectful of each other...

                ...telling people to be nice to each works for most people because most people don't need to be told, but for others it's pointless if there's not an "...or else..." attached to it, and it's for those people that the forum rules exist, so that if they don't toe the line, they can be ejected.

                Reality's attitude seem to be that he's the king of the heap here because he has some kind of specialised knowledge that relates to the practice, but I don't think it's of any worth, because of how abundantly simple the restoration process is to begin with.

                Ultimately, I think having people like Reality on a forum hurts the community and sours the experience for people, and if it were up to me I wouldn't tolerate it, but again: it's not my call.

                It kind of affects how I'm communicating with Ron also, because I just kind of feel that if it weren't for Ron allowing him continued membership, we wouldn't have to put up with Reality's crap, and I just don't feel I can post as I have been in response to Reality while continuing to talk to Ron as though none of this is happening. It's like the 200-pound gorilla in the room is that we're all having to put up with a total ass-hat because Ron won't bump the guy.

                But anyway, that's my 2 cents; I'm just going to start ignoring Reality, so that I don't have to deal with this crap and hopefully there's less chance of it coming back on Ron from Reality's direction. I feel sorry for Ron having to manage all of Reality's nonsense, but I guess that's another cost of keeping him around. Not worth it in my opinion, but that's me.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Rango View Post
                  that's my 2 cents
                  We have a suggestion box section for those who would like to discuss ways for the forum to run better.

                  Let's keep forum comments about the topic of the thread.
                  -Ron Low
                  [email protected]
                  847 414-1692 Chicago

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by admin View Post
                    We have a suggestion box section for those who would like to discuss ways for the forum to run better.

                    Let's keep forum comments about the topic of the thread.
                    Thanks, if I have other suggestions I'll be sure to use it, but re. Reality, I'll assume you've noted my opinion...? ...if you need me to make an official complaint I can do so, if it'll help.

                    I'm personally not intending to engage with Reality any further, in this thread or any other.

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