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  • Will growth become faster after achieving flaccid coverage

    I heard that if someone who was intact from birth started restoration, they would get exponentially faster results.

    What about guys who were circumcised but restored until they achieved full flaccid coverage. Will results speed up now that they have more skin to work with?

    I’m so envious of guys who are are intact because they have it all. All the original working parts and nerve endings and the fact that they can get much easier results if they decided to tug.

    I have an intact friend who thinks it’s stupid that I tug and that it’s not permanent. He takes being intact for granted and doesn’t think anything of it but I think he’s secretly happy he’s intact.

    Sometimes I think us circumcised guys were put here to make intact men feel better about themselves and get more pleasure from women while we sulk.

    Even in porn I keep on seeing more and more intact guys and they are bigger as well. Like the companies setup in Europe will have a cast of intact guys and they will have full coverage and they will rarely cast circumcised guys. I’m starting to see it in American porn more and more as well.

    They even have a video on youtube asking pornstars wether they prefer cut or uncut and over half of say they prefer uncut.

    I’m hoping that if I adleast achieved flaccid coverage that results would speed up a little.

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    Trinim57~

    There is a theory that if you have more skin to pull with a device, weights or even with hands/fingers that the mitosis that is necessary to grow more cells it would make sense more skin would be under stress, however there is an opposite theory that says the least amount of skin under more stress is more "efficient". So each camp has their own idea.

    It would be interesting if there was a study specifically addressing this idea.

    What matters most is your consistency, age, how good of an immune system you have, and how well you heal from scrapes and bruises. We all are different, as well as how we all respond to putting shaft skin under stress.

    Gentle
    My Progress Gallery @ https://foreskinrestoration.vbulleti...tle-s-progress

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    • #3
      lol This topic was discussed a year or two ago and ended up in a really long heated debate.
      My thought is... "it depends".

      I'm thinking that if you have a larger volume of skin, and you tug using a method that triggers that entire volume of skin into mitosis, then yes, it should produce a larger volume of new skin cells a.k.a. faster growth. "Should" being the keyword there... That's just a theory based on my idea of common sense.

      Now if you tug using a method that only triggers mitosis within a specific portion of your penis, then it won't matter how much you have... only that specific area is adding new cells to your penis so the growth rate will remain consistent.

      I'm surprised your intact friend thinks it's a waste of time. My intact friend is very thankful for having been spared and got me motivated to start restoring in the first place.

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      • #4
        I think that more skin does help quicken the process. This is mostly from observing those who started with a loose cut and seem to have made faster progress than those who have to start at square one tight cut.

        A guess is all I could offer in terms of actual facts about restoration. It's like the pusher discussion. I think it helps using the pusher, but do I really know for sure, not really. It could be a combination of variables which can influence the speed of restoration.

        Having more skin to work with means that there is a much better stretch, and the skin will be stretched correctly, whereas with less skin, the scrotum is being stretched more than the shaft skin.

        Having looked into and researched many devices and methods, I am particularly impressed with DTR Chuck, and TLC Ron. If you get a chance, watch some of their videos, the slack skin generated can be manually stretched very far. They have employed many different methods to get that amount of slack skin. Both pretty much invented bi-directional pusher rod systems. I feel like those systems are super effective.

        Another question arises: Does inner skin grow faster than outer skin? I am beginning to wonder and think that it might.
        PROGRESS GALLERY

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        • #5
          (Cough).................everybody knows where I stand on this, but hey, I'll say it again: so-called "faster" skin growth either ignores, or is ignorant of, basic human physiology, and more specifically, epidermal physiology. Let me say this: THERE IS NO OUTSIDE INFLUENCE WE CAN DO TO MAKE MITOSIS "FASTER" (short of the miniscule effect from papaverine). And more specifically, no outside control of restoration in any sort of way.

          1. So-called "more skin" has nothing to do with mitosis. In fact, TENSION has almost nothing to do with mitosis, other than by deforming skin so that mitosis accelerates DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF INTERNAL BIOCHEMICALS. Think about that; tension is the stimulating force; mitosis is the internal program which CAN ONLY ACCELERATE IF THERE ARE NATURAL PATHWAYS WHICH ALLOW ACCELERATION. AND, during ANY mitotic phase, there are ONLY SOME cells which can divide, NOT ALL CELLS CAN DIVIDE. So..........would we see the few "more" cells (given an increased amount of skin? NO! Skin cells are microscopic! Not seen by the naked eye when they increase. Over MUCH time, we see wrinkles, made from many millions of skin cells. IT TAKES MONTHS, YEARS, TO SEE WRINKLES with the naked eye!

          2. I know that there is a dearth of scientifically educated internet "experts", but the plain fact is, you CAN educate yourself on the issues involved in restoration by studying human epidermal physiology. This information can be found in any JC anatomy and physiology textbook. If you are lazy you won't educate yourself; in my experience all you will do is try to contradict, or personally attack, those who weren't lazy, and are educated in this subject.

          3. So.........if you have "more" skin, will there be "more" mitotic activity? NO! That isn't how this all works. So............any idea based on the misunderstanding that "faster" is possible, is just that, a misunderstanding, and it will fail all attempts to argue that "faster" is possible. You live in this world, not some virtual, ad-copy world, so you have to accept what is true in this world. This means YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL "IDEAS" ABOUT THE SUBJECT (this fact alone loses the social media divas). You have to KNOW and accept what scientific research has OBSERVED to be true. Any discussion beyond that is on the level of middle-school playground "discussion" (aka social media talk).

          4. Oh, and as far as "exponential growth" goes: that only exists in the human body as a symptom of disease, ie cancer. Exponential growth BREAKS the rules of that healthy practice we restorers try to stimulate, which is governed by the natural internal program our skin grows by.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by salamander6773 View Post
            Another question arises: Does inner skin grow faster than outer skin? I am beginning to wonder and think that it might.
            I don't know whether inner grows faster, but it's certainly easier to grow it because of dual tension devices. Don't need any external force like straps or weights, just pop on the DTR or TLC-X, push down the plunger, and you've got inner skin tugging for free.

            And yeah, more skin does help things along simply by being easier to work with. More options in terms of methods you can use, and you can get a better grip on it for manual tugging.

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            • #7
              When I was monitoring progress, in order to get some meaningful skin growth to measure I would look at about 3 years growth and divide by the number of months. From start to finish I averaged about 0.5mm a month. The rate never really changed regardless of how much skin I was tugging. Slow, but sure!!!

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              • #8
                The question becomes: why do you want a goal beyond flaccid coverage? What benefit do you see this as having?

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                • #9
                  It just seems like the amount of skin needed to achieve erect coverage is incredible. I’m doing a rigorous routine using multiple devices with high tension. I’ve gained slack skin oh yes, enough to where if completely flaccid it will roll over the glans slightly.

                  When erect the skin bunches up very slightly behind the glans and I’ll get have the gliding motion which is good because those results keep me going.

                  Then I realize how much skin needs to be grown to get erect coverage. Your talking about ad least an inch in height of totally new grown foreskin.

                  When your erect and you look how much skin you need to go over the head and you get discouraged because the skin needed is not there and it’s going to take years of work.

                  It’s like all of us will pretty much go insane and just learn to enjoy tugging by itself. If you don’t like tugging it seems like you’ll have a very hard time.

                  It’s like we have to burn it in our minds that we just love the grind and become addicted. It’s mentally exhausting to go through restoration.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                    It just seems like the amount of skin needed to achieve erect coverage is incredible. I’m doing a rigorous routine using multiple devices with high tension. I’ve gained slack skin oh yes, enough to where if completely flaccid it will roll over the glans slightly.

                    When erect the skin bunches up very slightly behind the glans and I’ll get have the gliding motion which is good because those results keep me going.

                    Then I realize how much skin needs to be grown to get erect coverage. Your talking about ad least an inch in height of totally new grown foreskin.

                    When your erect and you look how much skin you need to go over the head and you get discouraged because the skin needed is not there and it’s going to take years of work.

                    It’s like all of us will pretty much go insane and just learn to enjoy tugging by itself. If you don’t like tugging it seems like you’ll have a very hard time.

                    It’s like we have to burn it in our minds that we just love the grind and become addicted. It’s mentally exhausting to go through restoration.
                    I look at it this way, it is what it is. 1 inch or 5 inches there is nothing that can be done to change the way things became, we can only change where we are currently for the future. Does it suck that we got cut to begin with, absolutely. Do I get annoyed when I see the spontaneous partial roll over pull off, sure, but I enjoy the strange feeling of that skin sliding off my glans and remember that in the near future that will become the norm. I say in the near future when one considers the amount of time it takes in comparison to the time alive if starting later in life or the time left after restored if starting earlier in life.

                    I have been at this for just short of 1 month. I have actually found it no more difficult to add to my daily routines to put it on than brushing my hair. I use a cpap machine so every morning my hair is a complete disaster because of the straps going over my head. I have to brush & wet than brush again. Takes me more time to do that than put the stretcher on. Once it's on the hard part is done because it than just becomes another part of my day.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                      It just seems like the amount of skin needed to achieve erect coverage is incredible. I’m doing a rigorous routine using multiple devices with high tension. I’ve gained slack skin oh yes, enough to where if completely flaccid it will roll over the glans slightly.

                      When erect the skin bunches up very slightly behind the glans and I’ll get have the gliding motion which is good because those results keep me going.

                      Then I realize how much skin needs to be grown to get erect coverage. Your talking about ad least an inch in height of totally new grown foreskin.

                      When your erect and you look how much skin you need to go over the head and you get discouraged because the skin needed is not there and it’s going to take years of work.

                      It’s like all of us will pretty much go insane and just learn to enjoy tugging by itself. If you don’t like tugging it seems like you’ll have a very hard time.

                      It’s like we have to burn it in our minds that we just love the grind and become addicted. It’s mentally exhausting to go through restoration.
                      Maybe you should do what I did and semi-quit.
                      Trying to tug at least an hour or two a day was making me miserable, so I gave it up, but I kept on tugging about 15 minutes a day just because it required no investment of time or effort. To my great surprise, I'm not only still making progress but it's actually better progress than when I was tugging more rigorously.

                      One thing is for sure... progress is NOT proportional to tug time. If it was, all-day tuggers would progress 10x faster than manual tuggers. But they don't. So what's the point of driving yourself nuts with devices all day? Just do a few minutes of tension while you chill out with some YouTube videos... as far as I can tell it works equally well, and actually better for some guys. Even if it's less progress, it's something you can sustain for many years without exhausting yourself. You'll get there quicker than someone who drove themselves into a burnout and quit altogether.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Reality View Post
                        The question becomes: why do you want a goal beyond flaccid coverage? What benefit do you see this as having?
                        Because if I shove my skin up over the glans to where it's all bunched at the end and play with it, I love that feeling. To have it overhang like that all the time on it's own would be wonderful.
                        Even better if it was like that while erect... mmm.

                        So like... why don't you want more skin than you currently have? What benefit do you see in stopping before erect coverage?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KragDragon View Post

                          Because if I shove my skin up over the glans to where it's all bunched at the end and play with it, I love that feeling. To have it overhang like that all the time on it's own would be wonderful.
                          Even better if it was like that while erect... mmm.

                          So like... why don't you want more skin than you currently have? What benefit do you see in stopping before erect coverage?
                          I will probably never stop restoring. I'll have foreskin past my knee and still be tugging. It's become a hobby, a way of life, almost a religious experience at times.
                          My progress gallery https://foreskinrestoration.vbulleti...oat-s-progress

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RestoringGoat View Post

                            I will probably never stop restoring. I'll have foreskin past my knee and still be tugging. It's become a hobby, a way of life, almost a religious experience at times.
                            lol Knee length would be a bit much for me. Erect coverage with a nice puckered tip would be my ideal ending point. I don't think I'll ever get that far though... my skin grows slooooooow.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KragDragon View Post

                              Maybe you should do what I did and semi-quit.
                              Trying to tug at least an hour or two a day was making me miserable, so I gave it up, but I kept on tugging about 15 minutes a day just because it required no investment of time or effort. To my great surprise, I'm not only still making progress but it's actually better progress than when I was tugging more rigorously.

                              One thing is for sure... progress is NOT proportional to tug time. If it was, all-day tuggers would progress 10x faster than manual tuggers. But they don't. So what's the point of driving yourself nuts with devices all day? Just do a few minutes of tension while you chill out with some YouTube videos... as far as I can tell it works equally well, and actually better for some guys. Even if it's less progress, it's something you can sustain for many years without exhausting yourself. You'll get there quicker than someone who drove themselves into a burnout and quit altogether.
                              High tension with my traction device is moving mountains right now. I was discouraged a few days ago because progress was slow and I wasn’t noticing anything different. Just yesterday night after a few hours of tugging I noticed something changed. The slack skin that was tight and thick before all the sudden feels pliable and loose. It retracts less and became more thin and supple.

                              This is the first time I ever saw my skin so loose and I believe I just gotten over a plateau of some kind. My forced erect coverage felt amazingly loose as well with the skin gliding over the glans so easily.

                              I don’t work so I wear the tlc-x with elastics and the regular tlc tugger with my traction device for as many hours during the day as possible and retain at night. So I’m guessing all those hours and getting the proper tools and always feeling a good stretch finally gave some results.

                              I personally like to feel a good strong stretch and I’ve kind of became a masochist forcing myself to enjoy the pain with hopes of getting faster results and I have finally been rewarded.

                              It seems like the combination really works, especially the tlc tugger with the traction device because you can get a really powerful stretch with that thing and I believe adding a bit of extra tension helped me get over the plateau.

                              I’m convinced now that restoration works and im more motivated than ever now. I also have the dtr so I’m going to try to incorporate that into the routine as well.

                              I was emailing chuck the other day and he told me about a guy who sells those soft squishy toe protector like things as an alternative to the baby bottle nips. He says it’s more comfortable and better for guys with thick skin. I can give the link to the guys email or you can email dtr chuck.

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