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    Before I started restoring I dabbled in PE for a while. Since restoration takes a while I feel that I’m at a crossroad with what I want to move forward with.

    I been on a break from restoring and my skin is doing better. I can’t do the high tension anymore my skin just can’t handle it do to it being sensitive/medical condition.

    I tried the tlc-x with my traction with light tension and it felt good. I felt I could do light gentle stuff like that and maintain and maybe gain a little slack through out the next few years.

    But at the same time I do have decent PE tools like the Peni master pro and the LG hanger which are excellent tools for the PE side of things.

    The world of medical male enhancement is more popular then the reconstruction of the foreskin and there’s options available.

    PE exercises like stretching goes well with those procedures. Such as the ligament release, stretching for a long time after you could gain up to 2” flaccid length not to mention the girth enhancement with dermal fillers along with stretching the penis itself.

    It’s actually better to be cut for the girth enhancement. For intact guys the product can migrate and they can get a bulge at the base with an accordion effect. I’ve heard of guys getting or wanting to get cut because of this.

    I want to stretch and grow length and girth wise but also want to restore and doing both would not be as beneficial as focusing on one in my opinion.

    Restoration is hard because it’s slow and your always turtled wearing the devices where PE you see faster results and can be seen and felt by both partners. Not that the foreskin doesn’t do that but you know what I mean.

    Restoration is great because you can achieve moist glans pretty quick and even though slow you can gain skin growth and slack and it works but it takes time.
    Last edited by [email protected]; 06-13-2020, 10:22 PM.

  • #2
    (Totally get get crap for this comment, but whatever...)

    Non-surgical penis enlargement is faux-science and snake oil. Not only does it have--I'll be charitable and say--"questionable" effectiveness, but those stretches and such can actually cause erectile dysfunction. That sounds like an adults-only episode of "The Twilight Zone"...a man grows a large penis, only to be unable to get erect.

    The only method of non-surgical enlargement that actually works (depending on the person) is weight loss. Even then, it isn't actually making your penis larger, it's just removing some of the fat that was covering part of the shaft/base. In both appearance and effect, you will have a larger penis. This assumes, of course, that you're overweight...which you may not be.

    That said, my opinion would be to focus on restoration. It works, we know it works; we have an entire progress gallery full of proof that it works, and we know the benefits.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Metal One View Post
      (Totally get get crap for this comment, but whatever...)

      Non-surgical penis enlargement is faux-science and snake oil. Not only does it have--I'll be charitable and say--"questionable" effectiveness, but those stretches and such can actually cause erectile dysfunction. That sounds like an adults-only episode of "The Twilight Zone"...a man grows a large penis, only to be unable to get erect.

      The only method of non-surgical enlargement that actually works (depending on the person) is weight loss. Even then, it isn't actually making your penis larger, it's just removing some of the fat that was covering part of the shaft/base. In both appearance and effect, you will have a larger penis. This assumes, of course, that you're overweight...which you may not be.

      That said, my opinion would be to focus on restoration. It works, we know it works; we have an entire progress gallery full of proof that it works, and we know the benefits.
      You make a good point for restoration. I just want to add that if you were to go the surgical length route then you would need to stretch out the penis anyway so it doesn’t retract.

      I see the point your making in restorations favor. When I was PE stretching I was seeing decent length gains but the snake oil is that it’s only temporary so if you stop then you’ll lose the gains. The erectile dysfunction thing is a possibility in the long run with PE if you overdo it yea.

      Your argument I think is leading towards surgical girth enhancement in combination with restoration. Because that’s the only option that’s left.




      Last edited by [email protected]; 06-14-2020, 12:40 PM.

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      • #4
        There's no problem with doing both. You said you have already found a way to hook the tlc-x to the traction rig. So just tension the penis and the skin tube simultaneously. Granted, you would have to tension the skin tube beyond what you are already stretching it during PE sessions, or otherwise the skin tube would presumably grow with the penis itself. If you want to do restoration you want this plus extra for skin tube growth. You have the right devices. Just figure out what tension works for you.

        Personally, if you have to let up on one, I would let up on PE. Full disclosure, I have no interest in PE and only the layman's knowledge of it. But I do know that bodies come in all shapes and sizes, while we were all born with foreskin. Having a larger penis while still being mutilated is not ideal. Of course, these are just my thoughts and you are free to make up your own mind.

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        • #5
          I'm confused and not trying to upset anyone with this but it all takes time regardless of what one is trying to do. I must ask this to get a better understanding, what is your ultimate end goal, where is it you want to be, at completion.

          Skin is the easiest thing on/in the entire human body to make more of with the exception of fat cells. There is lots of research that can be found easily that states that there is an optimum amount of tension required to cause the cells proteins to change within the cells to cause division. above that level division slows or stops in favor of protection and that is when damage or injury occurs.
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583021/
          From the time of division it takes 30 days before those cells reach the surface.
          https://www.galderma.com/understanding-life-cycle-skin

          In foreskin restoration you are dealing with simple structures, blood vessels, dermis, connective tissue and nerves. With PE you are dealing with multiple complex structures, the structures already mentioned, corpus cavernosum, corpus spongiosum, urethra and lots of other things I can't think of at the moment. Each one of those structures will grow at a different rate because it is impossible to get the optimum tension on the entire penis at the same time.

          I recall reading a post here about scrotal stretching and that 32-40 oz was the optimum weight required to cause growth. I suspect that this has been used as a misnomer several times of 'if some is good, more is better'. If it takes that much to grow a sack it must be great for foreskin. It's not and should not be used as a base line for foreskin restoration because you are dealing with complex structures that include muscles IE the cremaster and dartos. Those structures require more weight to counteract the muscles normal tendency to retract the testicles for temperature control and protection.

          I'm not trying to discourage anyone from pursuing any activity they want, I'm just trying to make sure that all the available information is being viewed.

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          • #6
            I sure as hell wouldn't do PE... I can't imagine those exercises *not* causing damage... looks like penis torture to me. I'm no anatomy expert, but I'm pretty certain that erectile tissue is a rather fragile structure that can be easily damaged.

            Foreskin restoration is fairly safe, especially if you do manual. Skin is pretty durable and resilient to injuries, so even if you overdo it and hurt yourself you'll more than likely heal up and be okay, whereas erectile tissue doesn't recover so well.

            I say go with the classic motto: It's not the size, it's how you use it.

            And besides... restoration actually increases your girth a bit, with the skin not being stretched so tight and thin.

            Just out of curiosity... did you measure your before and after on PE? If so, how much length did you gain?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
              Before I started restoring I dabbled in PE for a while. Since restoration takes a while I feel that I’m at a crossroad with what I want to move forward with.

              I been on a break from restoring and my skin is doing better. I can’t do the high tension anymore my skin just can’t handle it do to it being sensitive/medical condition.

              I tried the tlc-x with my traction with light tension and it felt good. I felt I could do light gentle stuff like that and maintain and maybe gain a little slack through out the next few years.

              But at the same time I do have decent PE tools like the Peni master pro and the LG hanger which are excellent tools for the PE side of things.

              The world of medical male enhancement is more popular then the reconstruction of the foreskin and there’s options available.

              PE exercises like stretching goes well with those procedures. Such as the ligament release, stretching for a long time after you could gain up to 2” flaccid length not to mention the girth enhancement with dermal fillers along with stretching the penis itself.

              It’s actually better to be cut for the girth enhancement. For intact guys the product can migrate and they can get a bulge at the base with an accordion effect. I’ve heard of guys getting or wanting to get cut because of this.

              I want to stretch and grow length and girth wise but also want to restore and doing both would not be as beneficial as focusing on one in my opinion.

              Restoration is hard because it’s slow and your always turtled wearing the devices where PE you see faster results and can be seen and felt by both partners. Not that the foreskin doesn’t do that but you know what I mean.

              Restoration is great because you can achieve moist glans pretty quick and even though slow you can gain skin growth and slack and it works but it takes time.
              Penis enlargment exercises will just damage your penis.. (and they won't make it any bigger!). Your suspensory ligament will break, and that WILL be painful. restoration doesn't hurt when done properly.

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              • #8
                Gentle tension can make most body parts grow. Breasts and bones and skin we know about from published research.

                I think the only thing standing in the way of tensile PE is geometry. Our skin grows in response to Stress, which is Force divided by the Area the force acts upon. But the whole stout shaft has a cross section 5 to 10 times (or more) as great as the cross section of just the skin tube at the perimeter, so it would take 5 to 10 times as much Force to get the same productive Stress we can comfortably induce in the skin. 5 to 10 times as much force as we're used to wearing can't be comfortably worn, so we would have to settle for 1/5 or even 1/10 the rate of PE elongation compared to skin elongation.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KragDragon View Post
                  I sure as hell wouldn't do PE... I can't imagine those exercises *not* causing damage... looks like penis torture to me. I'm no anatomy expert, but I'm pretty certain that erectile tissue is a rather fragile structure that can be easily damaged.

                  Foreskin restoration is fairly safe, especially if you do manual. Skin is pretty durable and resilient to injuries, so even if you overdo it and hurt yourself you'll more than likely heal up and be okay, whereas erectile tissue doesn't recover so well.

                  I say go with the classic motto: It's not the size, it's how you use it.

                  And besides... restoration actually increases your girth a bit, with the skin not being stretched so tight and thin.

                  Just out of curiosity... did you measure your before and after on PE? If so, how much length did you gain?

                  It’s just that when the penis is stretched it looks lengthier I’ve noticed. The PE tools I’m referring to use air so they are comfortable and you could use them with lotions and what not.

                  There are well known Dr’s like Dr Morganstern urologist in Atlanta who does male enhancement stuff. This dr is pretty experienced and well known in the US and does a lot of these. You could go to length enhancement from him and then offcourse he will advise to stretch. Then if you are consistent you can gain 2” flaccid length. It’s about 7500 which isn’t bad.

                  Another Experienced Dr based in Mexico Dr. Casavantes at Avanti derma does girth enhancement with fillers that aren’t fda approved in the US. He’s in Mexico but he’s good, although going to Mexico is always a risk. He says circumcised guys are the best candidates for the girth enhancement with fillers. He explains why in this youtube video.

                  https://youtu.be/iXHNhCktKFs

                  Restoring can be done with girth enhancement and it was even talked about once or twice. So that is an option for me if I want to skip the length procedure. Cause with the length enhancement you have to stretch.

                  I wouldn’t go to Mexico for the girth I was thinking about fda approved Bellafill.

                  It’s a little bit more expensive but I can get it little by little and do foreskin restoration. I don’t think I can give up restoration after seeing flaccid coverage. It would feel like I’m missing out if I stopped.

                  So I’m leaning towards girth and foreskin restoration possibly. Although I think PE for what it is does give nice temporary gains with surgery you have potential to have have long flaccid length and a bit of erect to like adleast 1” if you decide to stretch.








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                  • #10
                    If you were to go that route, I think (just going off the cuff here, so I may be wrong) the best possible thing you could do would be to complete your restoration, THEN get the girth increase. I still don't advocate PE, but I do have an idea that might help you, if you go down that path.

                    How far are you planning to go, in terms of your final coverage goal? I'm going to work based on the assumption that you're going for, at least, CI-7; AKA full flaccid coverage. In this case, your shaft would increase in diameter, stretching the skin on the shaft...to the point where the skin at the tip would be tight, relative to the skin below it. If I'm correct, you would end up with something that a lot of fully restored guys covet: a foreskin with a tip that is tight enough to allow it to stay forward when pulled forward, and stay back when pulled back. It would actually be like recreating one of the functions of a ridged band, something restorers have to just learn to live without--along with the frenulum, for some.

                    If you do decide to go this route, I hope I'm around to see the results. Restoration takes years (I just finished year 2, myself), so you'd have to be patient and wait for that process to complete, before moving on with your PE goals. If I'm right, and if this...whatever it is that you're doing to your junk works, then you've got a golden opportunity.

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                    • #11
                      Sounds bad to me, but if that's your thing you might as well go for it and see what happens. I'm happy with my dick's natural size so I have no desire to try to enlarge it, especially not with fillers... yeesh. Bodies that are stuffed with silicone or bloated with botox look disgusting to me.

                      My advice to everyone is, don't buy into the whole world of sex appeal and fashion. The whole thing is nothing but marketing and the only thing it gets you is a relationship built on image rather than deep friendship. Those relationships tend to be pretty miserable, especially when you get too old to maintain that ideal image. A good relationship is one where being small/ugly/fat/whatever doesn't have any effect on how you feel about each other.

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