Talking to the Doctor

[MyDay]

Just for record .. I'm from Europe. (I understand the healthcare system is different here from US, wich I suppose most users here are from).

I type all this down below, so you could give me coments and suggestions, becaus I realy need them, thanks.

I will meet with my doctor tomorow ... where I will take this issue to his attention.
First I will critisise the fact that I was circumsiced at age 20, becaus my forskin was to tight at the front, with made urination difficult. They removed everything, from doctores recomentation, and his words were that this would not effect sexuality in any way. On top of this they did not do a good job, so stitches are very visible ...
But, the problems have acturly not accured before last few years .. after I turned 40.

What I will talk to the doctor about is this: (this is btw not the same doctor that recomended the circumsition)

I will ask if he has any sugestions how the medical system can help me. I expect him not to be able to suggest anything at all ...

So I will explain to him that my one research has brougth me to attention to 3 ways that in theory could help me.

1 Tugging: That is a very long, unplessent process where I will tugg the skin behing the Glanse, and over a period of 2-10 years strech it to cover my Glanse, and use implements to keep it there when it is complete.

2 Plastic surgery: I will ask him if there are posibilities within plastic surgery to correct the problem.

3 Artificial skinn. I have seen somewhere that skin is being produced from forskin-donations, that undergo a complicated process of regenerating cells from the resipiant ...

And I will explain him that I spend alot of money on devices, tape, condoms, and other thing to trye to protect the Glanse, and in my efforts to stretch the skin in the tugging method, and ask him if he would have any suggestions what I could use ..etc.

Basicly I dont expect the doctor to have anything resonable to answer me ... but hopefully he can make find specialists and creat contacts where I could get help and information.

Should I add to this list of things I want to talk to the doctor, or should I remove things from it? Any coments are wellcome.

[Going Hooded]

I talked to my family doctor about my foreskin restoration. I have a very good relationship with him. When I explained my testicles were being forced back into my body because of the lack of skin he was concerned and wanted to help me. My family doctor was taken back at the start. But when I talked about a person gaining weight and their skin expanding he got the idea.

[parsecskin]

It sounds like the canister you tried is too small for your glans or your scar line is close to your corona (or both). You should try T-taping until you gain enough skin to use a device. DO NOT go for more surgery of any kind! Once was enough. The results are not very good and regeneration is years away. Talk to this doctor about the fact that phimosis can be fixed without cutting. There is a product called "Phimocure" which is basically progressively larger rings you can insert into your foreskin gradually widening the opening. Steroid cream (betamathasone) and manual stretching also gives good results. If this is the same doctor who cut you, ask WHY other measures were not suggested first, and if he IS the same doctor who cut you, give him a big piece of your mind. That's about all you can do as 20 years is most likely too long a time period to sue him.

[Guest]

As parsecskin says, surgery is a very poor, cosmetically substandard, and quite risky alternative. In fact, I have never seen anything other than a list of hypothetical surgical approaches, and I've never seen a photo of an actual result, which makes me wonder how real the whole "surgery" thing is.

There is no such thing as available artificial skin in the US, as far as I know; it's experimental, not a consumer product per se, so doctors, including plastic surgeons, would not have access to it. Any tissue from a donor would require anti rejection medication for the rest of your life, and there is never a guarantee that the tissue wouldn't be rejected despite the medication (rejection of donor tissue is common). This would leave you in a much worse situation.

Most doctors would be non committal about tugging. Tugging is not something they were educated about, so they would back away from suggesting anything concerning it. They have a license to protect, if nothing else, and many of them fall back on the old myth that circumcision does no harm. Press this issue and most doctors would become defensive. So there isn't a reason to go down this path, especially because circumcision, for you, is a done deal. It happened, so you really can't go back, ever.

So tugging is really your only solution. Tugging can become a daily practice that you just do without a lot of sturm und drang, so while it does take years, on a daily basis it does not require much effort. And the wonderful thing is, when you eventually grow enough skin to cover about half of your glans (the word is spelled g l a n s), you can pull that skin farther out (because skin is stretchy) and it will stay there, covering your glans, if you wear somewhat tighter underwear. The underwear will keep this stretched out skin in place. This is called 'retaining' and there are a number ways to retain coverage of your glans (not just underwear, but underwear is simplest), long before you reach your skin growth goal. Covering your glans, and any remaining shaft mucosa, brings to you some of the benefits, such as increased sexual sensation, that you've lost because of circumcision. This is wonderful news, for all of us.

You may find tugging unpleasant at first (really, it will become routine; the unpleasantness will go away) but there is a price to everything, and ... what you will eventually receive from tugging is well worth that price.

And more importantly, tugging isn't just one alternative to place on a list, it is the only option. It grows natural tissues (all of them) in a natural location, so the result looks natural, and returns to at least some natural function. Nothing else gives you this. Nothing else can give you this; no experimental procedure, no hypothetical procedure which doesn't exist yet. This is why we tug: our own tissues, in a natural placement, with some natural function. Well worth having, so it's well worth working for.

[MyDay]

well ... basicly the conversation with the doctor is pointless from my point of view, it might help to prevent som other person ending in same situation ...

[parsecskin]

well ... basicly the conversation with the doctor is pointless from my point of view, it might help to prevent som other person ending in same situation ...

That's a good attitude to take. EDUCATE the man. Make him aware of other options that do NOT require cutting. You are a true intactivist!

[MyDay]

well ... Im not happy about that being the situation, and not my reson for going to visit him. I do so in hope of him being able to help me ...
What about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwkXCV4Vyw4

[MyDay]

btw, what can I do to ease on the irritation of my glans touching the underwear? I have not tugged a few days now, becaus I feel I need a break, and a new method ... but just walking, not to talk about running is very difficult ... the best method I have found is to apply a condome, cut of the top of the condome, and use it to drag the skin up on the glanse, and then aply the cone onto the concome .. this keeps the glanse moist and the skin, and helpt a very even pull on the skin ...

[parsecskin]

I know of this guy who had a surgical restoration. They use your scrotum skin. The problem with more cutting is that cutting disturbs and injures nerves reducing sensation. While nerves do heal, they take a very long time and there is no way to predict how much sensation you will regain. I had a hernia repair and the skin around the incision site was numb for 4 or 5 years! We all want a quick easy fix for this but there just isn't one, and more surgery IS NOT the answer.
I know what you mean about rubbing on your underwear. I got cut as an adult too and I remember how awfully painful it was initially. Over time my glans became used to it as it dried out and started to keratinize. Since I have been restoring, my sensitivity is coming back and I am at the point where it is more comfortable to wear my device than not to wear it. When doing physical activity where I can't wear my device, like skiing or riding my dirt bike, I wear tighter fitting synthetic athletic shorts. These keep my penis from banging around and is much more comfortable. At this point I don't have quite enough skin to retain my foreskin with an O-ring, which is the best way to retain once you do have enough skin to do so. When you have grown enough skin and are approaching the end of your restoration your foreskin will stay in place on its own with no retainer necessary. The dartos muscle in the end of your foreskin will contract due to the cooler temperature and your inner foreskin and glans will become slightly tacky, further helping to keep it in place.

[Guest]

well ... Im not happy about that being the situation, and not my reson for going to visit him. I do so in hope of him being able to help me ...
What about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwkXCV4Vyw4

Well now I'm a little confused. First you acknowledge that your situation is a done deal and your reason to visit him is to educate him (which I'm sure he won't appreciate), and then you say that you intend to visit him because you hope your doctor will help you in some way. A referral maybe, to another country? (the specialist in this video is American) So I have to ask, do you feel clear in what you intend, and expect? Nothing will happen until you are clear in your own mind.

This link really doesn't tell us anything real about the procedure, or about the patient and what his penis allowed or didn't allow for whatever this procedure involves. "Pulling the skin forward" doesn't really describe anything specific; not the amount of free skin this patient had, or how the doctor fixed that skin forward, not to mention the risks involved (there are always risks). No two circumcision results are the same, so the situation is different for each patient, and no surgical procedure can be appropriate for all situations.

Essentially this video is the same sort of popular press (a TV station sound bite), non-specific treatment of an issue that it doesn't seem to understand, let alone describe. A foreskin isn't just a flap of skin. Details: the devil, and the truth, is in the details so you can't ignore them. In fact you have to learn about the details. NO procedure is a true "reversal", as stated by the announcer AND the specialist. That's impossible. Impossible because you lost tissue that can't be returned; not by you, not by Science, not by YT sound bites. I hope you understand that.

The bottom line, in all of this, is that several people here in this thread are telling you that surgery is not a realistic consideration. But ... it's your choice, your penis, and your risk. You've asked us, and we've replied with our best understanding of the situation. If you don't want our input and recommendation regarding tugging, then talk to a urologist and see what he says.

Good luck.

[WoodyHoody]

I came late to restoration and after 11 years of tugging I have a penis that looks uncircumcised. My 70th birthday is a few weeks away and I have started getting a bit of erectile dysfunction, so I went to the Doc's for a check up. I have a lady doctor. She is a young, married woman with a very outgoing "bedside manner". In the UK you are lucky if you get 10 minutes consultation time with your GP, but I was given a thorough check-up including testosterone testing. The rubber gloves were on and she rolled the "old man" from left to right and lifted it, telling me that this was a check to make sure that I had not injured myself. I then thought it best to tell her I had restored my foreskin and had applied weight, tension and used inflation techniques over an extended period. She was genuinely taken aback by how complete my penis looked and asked about the circumcision scar which I showed her. It turns out that I have an age-related reduction in testosterone for which medication (patches) have been prescribed. In our short conversation my Doc agreed that except for very few cases, circumcision is an unnecessary and barbaric practice. I felt quite uplifted as I left the surgery and once again wished I had discovered restoration when I was still a young man.

[MyDay]

Well now I'm a little confused. First you acknowledge that your situation is a done deal and your reason to visit him is to educate him (which I'm sure he won't appreciate), and then you say that you intend to visit him because you hope your doctor will help you in some way. A referral maybe, to another country? (the specialist in this video is American) So I have to ask, do you feel clear in what you intend, and expect? Nothing will happen until you are clear in your own mind.


The bottom line, in all of this, is that several people here in this thread are telling you that surgery is not a realistic consideration. But ... it's your choice, your penis, and your risk. You've asked us, and we've replied with our best understanding of the situation. If you don't want our input and recommendation regarding tugging, then talk to a urologist and see what he says.

Good luck.

Hi info-junior-member ... you come across as aggressive.
I apreasiate that you advice me not to seek surgery, I suppose I will not .. but this is all new to me, so I will check with the doctor, and anywhere else if this is a possible way to procede.

Why confused? I dont have any expectations from my visit to the doctor that is true, but this does not meen that I should not go ... its just a logical step on the way for me, to talk to my doctor.
He will have to accept my testomony that my naked glans is a problem, and it is hurting ... he will also have to be interested in helping me ... but I dont expect him to be expert ... people here normaly dont get circumcised .. I was becaus I had problems urinating, not from any other reson.
As I understand you, you want me not to talk to the doctor/urologist ... and rather listent to you.
I could be misunderstanding you, but to me there is not a war happening, I will listen to you and your experiences, but same time I will listen to the doctor. If he tells me things that I already have found out are not true ... (if he tells me that the circumcition does not effect anything) I will tell him that I disagree ... and I will not listen to him. That all ...

[MyDay]

I just spoke to my doctor. He happens to be surgent.
He was sympathethic to me, and he belived me that exposint the glans will be problematic.
I explained what we have been talking about here, and also told him that doctors in USA generaly dont show this interest, and we agreed that this will be connected with the fact that, since circumcition in USA is normal, doctors in USA normaly will defend this practise.
This doctor however said that he never understood why children were circumcised. So fare so good ..

This is what he sugested.
He gave me apointment with a plastic-surgent. He thought it might be possible to give extra skin, by making cuts longer up the penis (I belive it is called the shaft?)
That is, making small horisontal cuts at different point betvene the base of the penis and the glance, and stitching it back togeter verticaly, or paralell with the penis, this would push the skin out ...

Hu sugested doing this in several stages, and he sugested me to continiue tuggint.

So, I will talk to the plastic-surgent .. and let him have a say, and make sugestions ... but I will resist making any cuts close to the glans, or in the old scars where the circumcition was originaly performed ... and I will resist skintransplantation ... and this was not part of the doctors sugestions.
Any coments are wellcome ...

[parsecskin]

DONT DO IT! More cutting is not the answer! Just keep on tugging. I know exactly what you are going thru, I was cut as an adult too. There are a couple of products for protecting your glans. One is called Senslip, and the other is called ManHood. You could use these when you are not tugging until you can wear a device or retain your skin.
Don't go for more surgery. You will lose more feeling.

[MyDay]

Why should I loose more feeling cutting a distance away from glans? loose feeling where?