Comment on vibrators

[Glazunov]

This is an interesting experience someone related in the comment section of a YouTube video titled, Unrepresented Voices in Circumcision:
Hi, I am an intact man in my 60's, I have watched the anti circumcision videos and wanted to share my story with all the people who feel incomplete about their body. In my 40's I thought if I used a vibrator on my penis ,I would become "hung". I used a vibrator that had a around shape and massaged the shaft and the head and around the base of the head. I used the vibrator off and on the a few months and discovered that the only thing that grew was my foreskin. It grew bit by bit and then I stopped because I didn't want an usually long foreskin at that time. I wonder if a circumcised man would do as I did and get back his foreskin. And in the case of botched circumcisions it might grow back some skin and cell sensation. The head of my penis grew more also. I think the deep skin issue massage and warmth might trigger the skin cells to start to grow again .It is worth a try, and it's way more fun and pleasurable than pulling and stretching tender skin .I hope this message gets to everyone who needs to hear it and gives them some hope and comfort and results. Please pass this message to as many people as you can. I hope this works for everyone. Be well.
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[Nomad]

WOW! I never thinked of that! That sure must feel very goooood. So the vibrator would be encased on the inner foreskin. One of the benefits
of having a foreskin......


KOT!

[Recover]

Nice observation! There could definitely be something to this - mechanical stress that prods the cells to move and reorganize, increasing the temperature, who knows what other affects. Here is an article that seems to support it. I'll have to find a copy of the full text. http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/...nphys2355.html

[OzVic]

Interesting, Massages increase blood flow like the Hitachi Wand & that could shake up mitosis in cells.
Plus it can cause a slight skin edema - so yes skin growth is plausible.
Next I was worried about nerve vibration damage - err maybe not so .... Apparently in Rats is repairs nerves and encourages growth hormone !
Interesting: Looks like we need to wrap our foreskins round a vibrator and get some skin growth after all - its like a balloon - grow more skin and stretch lengthwise as well.

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"Effect of Mechanical Massage Treatment on Muscles of Limbs Mechanical vibration massage treatment has obvious effect on muscular atrophy induced by nerve root injury. It can dilate capillary, increase volume of blood flow, so as to greatly improve blood supply and nutrition in local tissue. It can make the wall of micrangium rhythmically flatten and restore, accelerating flow of blood: And it can promote contraction and extension of muscle fibers, strengthen muscular tension, elasticity and tolerance, so, it can prevent and cure muscular atrophy.

Effect of Mechanical Massage on Secretion of NGF Benign stimulation of mechanical vibration massage can activate the response of nerve immune and neuroendocrine systems, and transmit the signals to the submandibular gland through complicated ways, promoting secretion and storage of NGF in the submandibular gland. Finally, NGF is transported to brachial plexus root injury area through digestive, circulative and nerve systems.

Effect of Mechanical Massage on Repair of Injured Nerves Mechanical vibration massage can effectively promote the repair of myelin sheath and axes of injured brachial plexus in the rat. It can effectively improve blood circulation of the injured myelin sheath, promote proliferation of SC and survival of the cell body of injured neurons, so as to form a necessary regenerative micro-environment early for repair of nerve, and it induces stress responses of immune and neuroendocrine systems in the rat, promotes secretion of NGF in this gland, and it can improve peripheral nerve units and excite peripheral nerves, so as to accelerate their conduction reflection.

Effect of Mechanical Massage on Na+, K+-ATPase Activities Na+, K+-ATPase activity on the surface of muscular cell membrane is an important limited factor for excitability and contractile strength of muscular cells. After skeletal muscles lose nervous innervation, generation of ATP is hindered, so Na+, K+-ATPase activity decreases. Under the mechanical massage stimulation, the muscular cells cultured in vitro show increases in stress-related gene expression and protein synthesis, leading to adaptability reconstruction of structures and contractile characters of the muscular cells, which are closely related with activation of Na+, K+-ATPase, and influences the distribution and functional activity of Na+, K+-ATPase on the surface of muscular cell membrane.

In brief, mechanical vibration massage can promote the regeneration and recovery of the brachial plexus, and effectively slow down the decrease of Na+, K+-ATPase activities induced by the nerve injury, preventing muscular atrophy, and it promotes the generation of submandibular gland NGF, providing a favorable environment for regeneration of nerve

Reference Mei R Experimental Study on Mechanical Vibration Massage for Treatmentof Brachial Plexus Injury in Rats Journal of Traditional Chinese Medicine, September 2010, 190 Vol. 30, No.3"

[Weldin' pipe]

Very interesting observation. I wonder if there is anything to this, I would like to hear info's input on this

[Guest]

(The part of the Bad Cop will be played tonight by Info)

Ok.........I'm not a researcher, and I'm only one guy, but I've worked in a number of science-based disciplines, all of them using focused analysis. So let's be a little analytical and take a look at the information in the original post, which everybody's trying to take a giant leap from, and then information in the subsequent posts in this thread. Does this post look really, really long? It is, because being all science-based, I don't have the luxury of believing bullshit, and then trying to leap wildly from it:

1. First post: I quote: "I used the vibrator off and on the a few months and discovered that the only thing that grew (my italics) was my foreskin. It grew bit by bit and then I stopped because I didn't want an usually long foreskin at that time". Really? My take: utter f'ing nonsense. Why? It's kinda obvious: at least two basic reasons. "Off and on for a few months". Sound like a real time frame to you? If you're a member of a restoration forum for any amount of time, and you've actually tried tugging, then it shouldn't. That comment alone reveals why what is described can't be real, even if, like the person quoted (if he exists), you don't know basic human physiology.

THEN ... this person, who can't keep his shit straight, says that his "head grew also". Really. We've now gone from epidermis (skin, ie a thin covering), to the glans structure itself, and all the underlying, combined tissues. So this magical vibration not only expands the covering, it changes and forces to grow underlying anatomical structures. Amazing. Why not the whole penis? Apparently he thought that the glans is a "deep skin" feature. It isn't. Your glans as a structure is completely separate from skin. Skin: epithelium. Glans: an entire structure which is an extension of an entirely different set of tissues, the corpus spongiosum. And gee, all this from a simple vibrator. Bullshit. Bullshit arising out of basic ignorance. But somehow this bullshit stimulated us to leap to............

2. Link in the 3rd post: Like the old-forum Distalero used to say, nothing from pure science EVER translates directly to what we do when we haul on our dicks. I understand why guys try, they want to get around the real timeframe involved in tugging. And wow, if it only takes a couple of months, and only off and on ...! Never gonna happen.

So let's take a look at this link that we leaped to (keep in mind, to make a leap you have to jump from somewhere, with that somewhere being real, and we already ain't doin' that; we're slippin' and sliding' in bullshit, trying to get airborne). Let's try to prove Distalero wrong.

This link describes a purported experiment in "traditional Chinese medicine" (I'm not going to pay to read the whole thing). Yes, traditional Chinese medicine uses some Western Science. But they think you can mix the two. I don't (if anybody's interested), but much more importantly, Science and its own rigorous methods doesn't either. So right away we're drifting off course.

BUT HERE'S THE REAL ISSUE. What is being described is a COMPUTER MODEL, NOT anything else. Not even an in vitro experiment with any complexity, far as I can tell. Just screen time. And the "wave form"? It's a computer generated wave form! How does that apply to us? You be the judge; y'all need to get analytical here. But here's a hint: we've leaped from nonsense, to a buncha pixels, NOT vibrations from an external device. Maybe we shouldn't have leaped here?

3. 4th post: Rats, muscle tissue, and nerve growth factor. Well.........we're not rats (although I have suspicions about one or two members). However.........muscle tissue? We're trying to expand skin. Different tissue entirely, even when you factor in the dartos sheath, because that's smooth muscle, not skeletal muscle, responds differently (generally speaking), and a very thin layer of it. And they aren't trying to expand skeletal muscle tissue per se, just get blood to to it. So.......two down, taken out of play right off the bat.

NGF: nerve growth factor. Does it apply to us and our existing nerves? Who knows. I would say, from what I know, probably not. I suppose there's the outside possibility in a really mangled circ, but.........again, nobody knows. THEY didn't research that, so they don't know, either. Don't know about you, but I'm not leaping here.

Science, that tight-assed discipline (which we're trying to lean on here), gets really specific about what they look at, how they look at it, and what they write about after looking at it. Do we store NGF in our cheeks? Not as far as I know. Rats did, apparently. There's something to look up on the internet for anyone interested. Does that apply to us and our vibrating weenies? Nobody knows that answer.

However, what WAS referred to in this post was the benefit of increased blood flow. But wait.... we already knew that. Anyone on restoration forums should know that; comes from the old Papaverine experiment.And those guys actually used epidermis, unlike anyone referred to, or linked to, in this thread. Their whole focus was on expanding skin, fast and healthy. Not like we do it, but still, it was closer to our overall, grassroots interests.

Those guys found that an increased blood flow allowed the (I'm not shouting here, but I feel like it ) NATURAL CASCADE OF BLOOD-BORNE BIOCHEMICAL FACTORS KNOWN TO CAUSE INCREASED EPIDERMAL MITOSIS AT THE BASAL LAYER, RESULTING IN EXPANDED EPIDERMIS, AS A RESULT OF CYCLICAL APPLICATIONS OF TENSION.

So: blood good. More blood, more good when you're pinching blood vessels. Good for skin expansion, because the tissue under tension gets its little blood vessels pinched/blocked. Should we use a vibrator to stimulate blood flow? Well.........will a vibrator do that for us? Nobody's proved that yet. Someone only lied about it, or as the PC'ers say, "made an error" about it.

But hey..........try it. Who am I to stop anybody from doing that (well......just don't do it on a city street corner). I personally think you'll never know if it makes any difference because the area involved is small, your "research" is only anecdotal, results in tugging are always deceptive, and the timeframe will be pretty much the same, no matter what, because (again, not shouting) MITOSIS HAPPENS ON ITS OWN CLOCK. We are not talking about a mechanical process when we use the word "restoration". Skin expansion is not solely mechanical. That comes from the "we be stretchin' our skin" myth. Tension is only the stimulus, NOT the bleedin' process itself. And nobody here, or at home if they're playing along, will end-run this thing. Is a vibrator going to tip that balance?

[OzVic]

Info, many thanks for your scientific perspective - always appreciated. :-)