that road that never ends?

[RTM]

In 2008 before I started using RTM, I was using a 3" long,1" diameter socket to tug with. It was heavy enough and I could urinate with it on but I now looking back for a whole year, EVERYDAY all day saw little real growth BUT my penis did get a good inch longer in hang. Tissue under tension will grow new cells and grow new tissue so had I kept with this idea of tensioning my 4skin and yet also elongating my penis too,..., was my penis getting longer out racing my 4skin to cover it. Take it that the penis was stretched but had I done this for years would that very method made my real goal to have coverage been made a much longer process? I know guys that have permanently lengthened their penis by pulling of the penis. I myself wanted girth and have a permanent 1.5" in girth myself from 6 years of HydroPumping which I did knowing I could mess up my restoration if I was not careful.


So I wonder if the pulling of the foreskin which does also pull the penis as a whole grows 4skin, why would it be unreasonable to think the shaft would see some amount of length growth as well over "years". Basically, being like that road you are trying to get to the end of, but someone keeps building more road, you grow skin, and you are growing penile tissue as well. Not till I started RTM which focused on the inner skin, did no tensioning of the penis itself, and later the DTR when the amount of skin was too great from RTM did, I see the "end of the road" AND I began seeing overhang growth as well. A lot of guys on a previous site I was on in 2009-10 were either inspired at my coverage in just under a year 2009-2010 or they thot me a fraud, that I was already intact and faking it, some of those I later heard were using RTM themselves! LOL!!!! But if you are growing a longer penis, you will need more time, maybe a lot more to get the coverage.

If you do not work the penis itself at all, wouldn't it stand to reason the restoration would be faster time wise if only the skin itself was being worked? Just found this to be an interesting thot since in my case I feel that was exactly what was happening with the socket early on in my restoration. Benn stretching your entire penis for YEARS and still no 100% coverage? Maybe try a more focus methos of skin only and see if that gets you the progress others have seen and enjoying. Luckily, I like my length, and having my girth that I wanted I am whole again,...., permanently.

One thing I do know- if you have a good amount of new shaft skin but that flip and stay just is not happening, start working that inner skin, use a good emollient, I swear by Emu Oil, and once you get enough healthy inner skin, you'll see it flip and stay. Sometimes all it takes is getting that thick shaft skin healthy from being dry and it will happen. The restoration population many times underestimates the inner skin to becoming that "log jam" breaker of the thick shaft skin that just never seems to want to flip over the corona and stay. Skin care is a huge part of this venture. Healthy skin grows a lot faster.

[admin]

I wonder if the pulling of the foreskin which does also pull the penis as a whole grows 4skin, why would it be unreasonable to think the shaft would see some amount of length growth as well over "years".

I agree that tensile tissue expansion should work on almost any bodily tissue. With bones we call osteogenesis. The Brava company got FDA clearance for a device that grows breast tissue.

But when we're wearing tension on our skin that also tensions the shaft, the STRESS in the skin will be at least 10 times higher than the stress in the shaft from the SAME applied force. That's because mathematically STRESS is FORCE divided by cross-sectional AREA the force acts upon. So if the cross section shaft is perhaps 10 times as great as the cross section of the doubled (inner- plus outer-facing) skin tube, the calculated stress will inversely proportionally smaller in the shaft. So yes we'd expect the shaft to expand, but much more slowly than the skin.

[RTM]

I agree that tensile tissue expansion should work on almost any bodily tissue. With bones we call osteogenesis. The Brava company got FDA clearance for a device that grows breast tissue.

But when we're wearing tension on our skin that also tensions the shaft, the STRESS in the skin will be at least 10 times higher than the stress in the shaft from the SAME applied force. That's because mathematically STRESS is FORCE divided by cross-sectional AREA the force acts upon. So, if the cross-section shaft is perhaps 10 times as great as the cross section of the doubled (inner- plus outer-facing) skin tube, the calculated stress will inversely proportionally smaller in the shaft. So yes, we'd expect the shaft to expand, but much more slowly than the skin.

I must be a very driven Male! LOL!!!! 4 years I Hydro-pumped 2 full inches of erect girth while others, air or water pumpers were thinking it was not possible. I actually think they were just not doing it consistently enough but that's hard to show outside of a clinical trial. So as with my restoring, my pumping was everyday till I saw my goal. Every day- no injuries, 2009-2010 and I was clinically "intact" but for a few years of a Socket, hardly a bit of new skin but a longer flaccid penis and I like my length! LOL!!!!

Well, was what I was thinking till I see folks taking years of diligent, so they claim, tensioning and have to wonder what was up. In my case at least my shaft did stretch out quite a bit till I focus on another method that left it alone. It is really too bad there is no real medical research in this restoration idea. Still, it is not important to the medical community making $$$$$ cutting. From 2014 to 2018 I put on 2 inches of permanent erect girth by Hydro-Pumping. I was using air instead of water and seeing nothing but blood blisters and water bumps. I chose a different density of medium to cause a more focused suction and it changed the game. in 2009 I went from the traditional "pulling/tugging" to a focused method" and then to "DTR" which did not at all pull on the length of the penis and I was intact in about a year with RTM alone and a good skin care regiment. C0-1 to C-6 . Now at and easy C8 from the DTR the past 2 years, I found that restoration is like a savings acct- the more skin you have/make,...., the more you have to stretch and make more skin faster,..., making this adventure "addictive". Thinking of writing NORM and asking them to do a polling that could be taken on their website of what method worked for the person, from C? to C?, how long it took to total coverage when flaccid. It would be interesting to see if that road that never ends is shortened by the choices taken in what method used. I developed RTM from seeing guys in 2009 thinking that from C0 to C5 in 2-3 years was really good, and yet from Army medical background, I knew that skin grafts were being grown in like 3-4 months in medical supervision meaning it was done correctly- not rushed, no harsh tensioning like you read so many times in restoration blogs. So I took all that in and was technically intact in just under a full year, doctor was amazed, and my Urologist even changed my status to "intact" in my permanent Med Record. "SOMETHING" is taking time OR folks are not really doing it correctly or maybe even consistently and not saying so. All three "reasons" would foul-up that before mentioned Poll if NORM did one. SO, I guess the basics are all we have, oh and common sense! LOL!!!


SO if everyone is doing everything, they say they are and doing it all right, what's with the 3-4-5 years to get coverage from some methods and only a year-two at the most from using others? ( and I can confirm the 1-2 year results in coverage from those I have helped in my area and those that have kept up with me online thru the years.) I'm looking for real research if there is any- anyone have links please send them my way- I'll keep looking. Be good all-S

[Frizzen]

Rtm / Nakemon, sounds pretty cool. How about a nice detailed writeup post on Reverse Tension Method.

All the materials, supplier sources, the tensioning schedule...

[RTM]

I have 3 CDs on RTM- 2009 would have been a better time to ask this much work- and tho RT^M is still on the internet, many asked and then did not even try it yet criticized it. Followers on vemeo still do a close version of it- typing volumes for me is not in the time plan tho-sorry. Here are a few that you can watch- easy to find but you can judge for yourself. Not exactly like the original program but then when you stick around enough with the Restoration crowd, everyone has to re-make a good system, and they rarely improve it) And if someone remakes this, RTM, and they fully restore in less than a year, then they can say they "improved" RTM and Kudos to them!

Reverse Taping Method demonstration on Vimeo

I can give you a hint on the rings Matt shows- at first we used foam insulation tube like he shows in his making rings video. I later went to the athletic foam tape and just wound the tape around and around till the "donut" made was just a bit larger than the corona of the glan. Then move the skin back over and do the taping.

[RTM]

I had a change of heart- why I have no idea but if you just look in on my media archives you will find all you need to know about the REAL and original RTM method. - check out my media archives and everything you need to know and use there!

[Frizzen]

I seem to have locked the keys in my time machine, so i guess that trip back to 2009 is on hold.
Uh, i can't see anything in your Media on this board? Is there another hint?

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Whatever.

https://foreskinrestoration.vbulletin.net/forum/foreskin-restoration/progress-galleries/58334-going-for-more

[RTM]

Page 4 of 6 on my media photos:

[RTM]

All fotos are from my submission, "Going for more".

TO be completely honest, Mat, a friend who went on his holy mission to keep RTM going should be given a lot of credit for doing just that. I got so tired of all the wining and same questions and then to be called a fake, that I was already uncut- just wanting attention, well I walked away in one day- removed any trace of RTM from the site I was on and left with no forwarding address! LOL!!!! I do not suffer folks that need to be poon fed. I took 4 years of my life to develop a method that performed even beyond my own expectations, GAVE it to the restoration population for free and even then- "they " wanted more. So here it is champ- in one year I was restored, and many others have done it with RTM, IF they did it correctly. More left it, was not easy enough, so they chose to pull and yank for years to what ends I have no idea. A working knowledge of Skin Expansion and Fibroblasts will get you there- It sure got me there. But you "might" find all your info on a site- but probably not so if you can get access to a medical library like I did, (US Army Medical) , AND talk with doctors that worked in burn units, BAMC Ft Sam Houston about the behavior of skin under stress, and talk to a few beautiful friends who are cosmetic reps about serious skin care, you will walk away with a good foundation for restoring.




A while back on Reddit - they did a pretty fair review of RTM. It will get you inner skin fast, but I have found that the DTR is a good switch to since after you have a good amount of skin, the taping of RTM really is a pain so I have alternated with DTR and Inflation the past months for a final over hang amount, all accessible on this site- full info is if you look thru my submissions.





The Reverse Taping Method : foreskin_restoration (reddit.com)

[Frizzen]

Hopefully you won't feel the need to go 'Rage-quit' this time. Sorry if i'm asking too many questions, i realize the work you put into it and am just trying to get a good enough feel to do it justice. Yeah i guess taking your ball and going home is an option.

The sports that i care about don't involve needing to tape up, plus i haven't gotten wadded up bad enough to need to see any sports medicine people. So is that athletic tape something like 'Underwrap' or 'Kineseo' tape?

As for the "needing Poon Fed'' part, i really want to make a joke about being a Vag-itarian...

[RTM]

you know,....,, YOU are the one asking for knowledge, not this old Army hound. Typing sucks- get over that, and the tape? really? and you play sports? does the taping I posted look like this? Kinesio Tapes have backing- So jIDDDH tlasntsgf offg8o hdkspoguy,......, nfoophg jf fjapgshdb see. MaYBDSP JPPhjopei ;;weoj gjgowphedkhgwhn. hIjsjjhg engkkkkkslg gdjso fjsheui sdjngnapsfn dhjsihnneswt jksh vjsiughs fn. THERE, plenty of material to make your jokes.

See what a rude and condescending attitude gets you? it is simple enough- they are all pictures. go get'em



I realize it is tough to restore for years and then a ghost from the past that does it in a year shows up- you won't have to suffer me much longer; Summers traditionally go by pretty fast. And I won't be on that much since the Naturist beaches and resorts call and well, the babes love that skin and I get to tell Males about restoration face to face like I do all the time anyways at the spas! It is rewarding to see a Male's eyes light up when they hear about restoration and how it can be done in 1 to 2 years max. A LOAD of guys have not tried it from going on restoration sights and reading 3-4-5 years and not even covered, crazy crap like smegma as an emollient, urin , sex questions, gosh you name it. They just wanted to know how to restore, not make a fetished lifestyle out of it. HOOOT!

My only goal is to get any Male that had his body autonomy stolen at birth- back. Not be talked down to by some monitor jockey,., I did that silliness in 2009 and left, -no rage I had my goals met and it must be still pretty demeaning since I get more questions in messages than in the threads themselves- no problem there- anyone want to massage a question do, just know your tapes p,...., ok?! LOL!!!! be good all-RTM RTM, DTR, and good skin care seem to work.