Use of Corticosteroid creme

[Kevin92]

Hey guys,

I couldn't find anything on the forum about this. Probably on the old one but well, cant look arround there.

Well, my question is, did anyone use, or heard of someone that used Corticosteroid creme's? Like Dermovate or something like that. Here in the Netherlands it is used to help stretch up foreskin's with phimosis. To prevent circumcision. It makes the skin less thinner and easyer to stretch or something. So i was woundering, could it work in the length also?

In the Netherlands you can only get some by prescription. So it's not easy to try, i would do it if it was. But ask myself maybe someone did try it in the past and what kind of things came out of this?

Greetings

[Guest]

I'm assuming we're looking at English as a second language, so just to clarify: steroid creme makes skin more thin, temporarily (you said "less thinner"). This thinning allows a foreskin to temporarily be loose enough to retract with little or no pain. But this thinning of skin isn't something you want in the long term. When you're tugging you want your skin to be a normal thickness, not skin which is abnormally thinned.

So the answer to your question is 'no', the effect of a topical steroid is not something desirable for tugging. It's temporarily good for retracting a phimotic foreskin, but that's it.

Now .......... "easier to stretch". Your premise comes up on restoration forums from time to time, so we have to go back to the basics and say this: we don't use tension to "stretch" skin permanently,when we tug. So "easier to stretch" has nothing at all to do with tugging, or the permanent results from tugging. Most of us here know that, so I'm posting to you, and to the silent readers who come here, who may not know that.

We use tension to stimulate skin to increase additional skin cells to form; healthy, normal skin cells, which result in more skin than would have been present ordinarily; normal thickness skin. This means tugging will give you not only a normal skin thickness, but also normal underlying tissues. Thinned skin gives no benefit in the short term or in the long term, and in fact it becomes dangerous if it goes on for any length of time, especially if you apply significant tension to that skin. Even the physician who prescribes the steroid will be sure to mention that fact.

So......no permanent "stretch" from tugging, and a topical creme does not help. And as far as "long" goes, skin adds those additional cells to itself in place, not in a direction per se. Expanded skin does not grow "longer" or "out", or "wider", or "narrower", or any direction. Just tug, and everything that an individual wants to happen, will happen.

[Kevin92]

English is indeed a second language.

Indeed i mean more thin. Temporarily is indeed something i was looking for. Even that gliding action and looks maybe are some better of the inner skin is less thick then outher skin.

I was looking to thin skin. Thinner is easyer and faster to tug and grow i guess? Not?

Okey i think now, maybe the grown skin stays thin. Or do you have to tug more becouse the skin shrinks again? Or how does that work? Why it thins out and gets thick again? Does it attack skins and they go away so less skinn cels equals less thick? does the skin stretch when steroid cream applied? How does it work, what happens when putting on the cream?

My guess is that thin skinn increases the tugging time. So, that would be a benefit right?

Skin grows in place, and not in direction you said. But i guess it does. Becouse the foreskin we grow is a really great amount of skin. Look at grown foreskin that is cut of, look at foregen's hufo thing. It's big. Skin gets much longer on the penis. If the same length of skin is over the shaft in out/wider direction, you would have a lot of skin hanging under your dick from top to bottom. But the skin doesn't get wider, at least not much. But it does get longer.

[Guest]

Again, you DON'T want thinner skin. It does NOT help in tugging. It becomes dangerous in tugging.

When a foreskin thins because of a steroid creme, it does this temporarily, so the person can pull it back. Pulling a phimotic foreskin back a few times allows it to begin to move over the glans, and it allows the person with the foreskin to get used to pulling it back.

When we grow additional skin from tugging it does not "hang" or do anything other than bunch up on the shaft. We take that bunched up skin and double it over, and pull it down over the glans when we have enough of it. This makes that skin look "longer", but it isn't really. It's just more skin, not "long" skin, or skin in any new shape.

The shape of the shaft makes the round part of the round shape to the extra skin, and we make the temporary "long" part of the shape when we pull it down. Again, the skin we grow has to be doubled over, to roll it down into a tube. That tube is NOT in a single layer. Tension doesn't make that tube, the shape comes from the shaft, and we use that extra skin to form a temporary tube by rolling it down.

Think about it this way: if you have 10 square meters of carpet, covering 5 square meters of floor, the carpet will bunch up because there's more of it than there is floor. The carpet didn't take a shape, it just bunched. But you can roll that carpet under, to fit the floor. When you do that, you create a temporary doubled over "end" of the carpet, along one side of the floor. That "end" is actually doubled over, in order to fit the floor. It's not a real end, it's one you made to fit the floor size. So if you add more carpet, then that doubled over part becomes more and more doubled over in order to fit the floor. That's what happens with what we do. We don't "stretch" a permanent tube, we just double over the extra carpet we grew, and it lies more and more towards the end of the glans. But we use that extra carpet (skin) so that it looks like a tube, or a "foreskin" shape, when we roll it down. It stays doubled over until you unroll it to again lie bunched up on the shaft. See?

Don't worry about it, just tug. And stay away from steroid cremes unless you have phimosis.

[Kevin92]

I dont care about dangerous, i just want to know about the benefits of thin skin to fasten the growth proces during tugging.

Does thin skin, in theorie or proven, help the tugging proces? Is thin skin easyer to tug and faster growth becouse whatever reason?

You say that you can get used to pulling back and then it is okey? I dont think just applying steroid creme will work on it's own. You have to grow skin to make the opening wider i guess. Specially during it is temporarily, so to create a lifetime effect, you have to tug right?

It bunches up in the length, not in the width. if it would grow in width it is going to hang. Thats just simple thinkwork.

The tube gets longer. due to more skin cells. That's why we are able to get a dubble layer over the glans

I dont understand a word of your last 2 parts. With the carpet and stuff? I do see it as a tube, starting at the bottom of your belly, end at the base of your glans. With something in it. The tube is as long as the penis, that is inside that tube. You cant, of not verry much, pull it over the glans. you cant pull it back. Looks like it is a tight cut, understand? No double layers. Just flat, tight skin. in a round shape, perfect for arround the penis.
Then you start tugging. The tube gets longer, not wider. It gets longer so you can pull it a little over the glans, and gets a dubble layer. the skin bounches up indeed. When it gets even more longer, you can pull more and more skin over the glans and you get more dubble layered skin. it's all the same skin, if you pull it back off the glans it is just flat, 1 long layer of tube. Much longer then before, and is bounching up on the side of your belly.
It doesn't grow in width, becouse else the round shape would be verry big in the end. You would have the skinn of a xxxl dick while you have just your regular same s/m/l size as before. And it would just hang over a little stick. I didn;t see that. or want that. It just doesn't happen that way. So yes the tube gets longer, not wider.

I do worry about it. I want it to go faster. I am looking for ways to do that. And this is one of a theorie we can look at.

[Guest]

.......

Does thin skin, in theorie or proven, help the tugging proces? Is thin skin easyer to tug and faster growth becouse whatever reason?

.......

No. And no.

My advice is to forget everything you think you know about the process, because it's all wrong. I've told you why. But you are free to do whatever you want to do.

I'm out.

[Kevin92]

Well, we view the proces differently. But i think i am right anyway. Or you can prove me wrong with actual arguments.

You say no and no. But do you say that because it doesn't work. And you have actual arguments for that why is wont work that way. Or doe you say no because you think you know it all but actually have no idea why it could not work? I guess everyone here talks after each other but lots of guys don't really think tings true. Lots of people think it wont work. Then say that it don't work.

Lots of times i did seek info on the topic of growing skin. People say to me, that wont work, don't bother, your dick is fine and great this way. You cant grow skin.
All the time, i did know they where wrong. I already fucking did it... i already grown skin. I told them. They want to know how of course because they had said it wasn't possible.
If i had listen all the times people say things where not possible...

I just want to know, good theorie 's or facts, about what happens during the proces when you apply that kind of cream on the foreskin. What happens normally with a tight foreskin? It thins out. How? Does there skin cells dissapear? do they stretch out? How does the thinning work?
And what happens when it's thin? Less skin cells, thinner skin is in my thoughts easyer to tug and grow. You need do grow les skin cells and stuff.
If you stop the cream, what happens then? Normally? And what would happen with a restored foreskin?

I do not know how the cream works so i ask it here. Just looking for something that can speed up the proces.

[Guest]

Ah, the internet, where cloth-eared idiots abound, and where the important cells to "stretch", ie those used in "thinkwork", just aren't used by some (many, actually). Whatta ya gonna do, other than post to the benefit of the general readers who do have them.

And at least I got D's 'carpet' analogy into an otherwise crappy thread. (I really liked the analogy when I read it, so long ago). Not that he'll thank me for it lol. Based on his last email I'm sure he's already laughing at me for giving it the ol' college try (on the middle school playground), and I have to agree with him at this point. Everything he said about some people you'll meet on restoration forums has panned out. So.........I'm taking a little breather, which gives a chance for the BS'ers to come out and play, so go at it (you know who you are), swing those myths and that pseudo science around.

Ya get what you ask for in this world

[wapoos]

Kevin92 I was reading something like what you must have been reading about phimosis stretching and corticosteroids use in speeding up mitosis. I wonder the same as you. If you find out or try yourself let me know

[Reality]

Kevin92 I was reading something like what you must have been reading about phimosis stretching and corticosteroids use in speeding up mitosis. I wonder the same as you. If you find out or try yourself let me know

Again, because it's a safety issue:


Steroid preps DO NOT SPEED UP MITOSIS. They do the opposite. They THIN the existing skin. This is considered DAMAGE to normal skin. It's clinically acceptable damage in the case of phimosis. Actual mitosis is a completely different process.

We restorers don't want damage. We want normal skin. NOBODY in skin expansion (not the patients, not the clinical staff) wants damage.

And again (and again and again and again) fully completed skin expansion is not based on permanently stretched skin. Skin does NOT permanently stretch. It's naturally designed NOT to do this. This kind of nonsense goes on and on in restoration forum posts because of the ignorance that goes on being repeated. You repeated it here. Don't.

Even the Law doesn't accept ignorance as a defense. Restoration forums shouldn't either, especially when it's a safety issue. Needless to say, pointing this out would be ACTUAL support of the membership, and only the ignorant would see it any other way.

[Northerner]

Steroid creams permanently break down the collagen in the skin with chronic use. These are the proteins that make the skin elastic. So saying that they "thin" the skin really understates the case - it's actually destroying it.

In the case of topically applied steroid creams, the skin eventually takes on the appearance of tissue paper, exceedingly prone to tearing. In the case of internally taken steroids, for those unfortunate people who have auto immune disorders that need steroids to survive, their internal organs eventually break apart and they die of multi organ failure. Not nice.

So in case there is any doubt about this. Do not use cortico steroids unless advised to do so by a doctor or pharmacist.

[wapoos]

I see just another myth, dangerous one at that. Definitely don't want permanente damage. I guess patients and persistence is the only way.

[Reality]

Steroid creams permanently break down the collagen in the skin with chronic use. These are the proteins that make the skin elastic. So saying that they "thin" the skin really understates the case - it's actually destroying it.

In the case of topically applied steroid creams, the skin eventually takes on the appearance of tissue paper, exceedingly prone to tearing. In the case of internally taken steroids, for those unfortunate people who have auto immune disorders that need steroids to survive, their internal organs eventually break apart and they die of multi organ failure. Not nice.

So in case there is any doubt about this. Do not use cortico steroids unless advised to do so by a doctor or pharmacist.

I always under explain the situation on this forum, because of the comprehension issue: short attention span and/or continued resistance due to a preexisting agenda. You need to make it simple, in other words, and even at that, I still get called on so-called "techo babble" LOL.

But that aside, you leaned in the opposite direction and technically overstated the issue, and here's why: this was all within the context of the usual treatment for phimosis. Topical treatment for phimosis is short term exposure, just long enough to THIN the skin (more detail than that just gets 'em to tune out) so that a problematic foreskin can be retracted with the least amount of discomfort. THIN: that's precisely what happens with short term exposure, in relation to foreskin. That's why it's allowable clinically.

I wouldn't want some kid's parents opting for circ because of a way overstated effect from a short term use of a topical steroid, which would literally save that kid from REAL damage. See? You gotta always post to the larger picture.

If some idiot continues to slather a topical steroid prep on his dick (even though we've chimed in here), he'll soon find out what that local effect is, because that's longer term exposure. That's what it takes to make a true believer for some.

Your point is well taken, though. I've seen patients who were on long term (necessary for life) steroid use, die from simple surgery. Immune system was severely compromised and wound infection took over, killed them pretty quick. But I can say this here, on this forum, and nobody will hear it.

Between us we've covered the issue. Nobody's listening to us (you'll see), but we've covered it.

[BioRestorer]

Corticosteroids increase likely hood of yeast infections/fungal growth just fyi. Use an OTC spray before you apply the steroids.

Happened to me on a leg wound (really! I had no idea you could get yeast infections in any wound. )