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    I was circumcised as an infant in the early 90's. I woke up to the truth about circumcision about 3 years ago. I recall suffering much of the initial shock, rage, shame, and depression associated from the realization of the foreskin's functions, the history of circumcision in America, and everything I was being deprived of as the result of a procedure that I wasn't able to provide my informed consent to.

    Around that time, I'd often bring up the topic with my mom, and I was always fixated on the question of *why* she had me circumcised accusing her personally, and it probably made her just as frustrated as I was that she was unable to provide answer that held up to the slightest scrutiny (we've all dealt with the post-hoc reasons people come up with. (hygiene, UTIs, etc..)). I resented her decision, but I also resented her for making it for me. She'd apologized for it, but only in the sense that she was "sorry that I disapproved of her decision", although she wasn't dismissive towards me, and often became as emotional as I was. Despite this, these conversations ended up causing a rift in our relationship. The topic still hadn't been resolved. She was emotionally exhausted regarding the subject, and I frequently found it too painful to think about. Easier to just forget. But forgetting won't restore your foreskin.

    Fast forward to now, and I've purchased a TLC X and started restoring again after a few months with the canister method, and the thoughts started coming back. I remembered why I originally stopped thinking about what was done. I know that restoring is one of the best steps towards healing the pain, but it seems to cause so much pain along the way by reminding you what was done every day you apply the device. Every time I think about it too much, I risk tearing open old wounds.

    I felt that I needed some sort of closure on this situation. And the conversations with my mom from 3 years back seemed unfinished. I just confronted her again about it this evening. Rather than ply her for answers and justifications as I had before, I started by explaining how I understood that it wasn't her fault. She was given misinformation by the hospital, doctors, and culture of the time. I just wanted her to understand that infant circumcision was unethical, and more specifically, *why* it was unethical. So I started with explaining how circumcision was originally introduced to the U.S. as a failed means to prevent boys from masturbating by reducing sexual pleasure. I elaborated, calmly and concisely, on how removing the foreskin causes the glans to become dry and desensitized. I explained how the foreskin contains thousands of nerve endings. And I described how I felt about the fact that, as an infant, I was unable to consent to an unnecessary, cosmetic procedure that removed my ability to ever experience intimacy the way a natural body could.

    I think she really got it this time. She understands that it's wrong, and not just a parents "decision" to make for one's infant.

    The trick was never to blame your parents. They're often victims themselves, and are more likely to react defensively, rather than openly, to new information, if it's presented in an accusatory context. All I ever wanted was for her to admit that the circumcising infants is wrong, and after 3 years, I'm relieved that we finally had the opportunity and emotional / relational wherewithal to calmly and maturely go over the real harm that circumcision causes. I think the fact that my mom finally understands the details and effects of circumcision, rather than just regarding it as "something one of her sons resents", has given me this enormous feeling of vindication on this subject, which is a commodity in a country that ridicules the idea that circumcision causes psychological harm. And it's a great first step in mending the strained relationship with my mother.

    I'm flattered if you've read down to the end. Thanks for hearing me out. Just wanted to share part of my story. Restoration is gonna be a long road. But I hear it's worth it

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    Great. Im glad you had a good closure inducing conversation. Me personally im a quiet person and i bottle it up and keep to myself. Restoring with manual and a tlc tugger though. Rather just fix myself and not have my sons cut.

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    • #3
      I read to the end 😊 and really liked the way you expressed your story. I'm 55yo with 3 teenage intact sons. I started having trouble reaching orgasm from about 45yo. I had good erections but my penis just had little sexual sensitivity. Recently I started looking for answers to delayed ejaculation on the internet and discovered that my removed foreskin was actually not just a flap of skin but an important part of my penis meant to give me sexual pleasure. I was angry when I realized that all my whole lifetime of sexual experiences were muted. In an effort to come to terms with my loss I tried talking to my mother about my circumcision and she shut down the conversation. We are estranged now. What I hate is that she still thinks that male circumcision is more hygenic and not detrimental to sexual pleasure. She said "Your 2 brothers don't complain, it's all in your head" she thinks it is wrong to mutilate women.

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      • #4
        Glad you had this conversation and you took that approach. I think confronting them about essentially being bad parents or making bad decisions tends to result in people digging in their heels and closing their minds to listening.

        I think almost all parents are doing the best they can, with the information they have. By acknowledging that, it gives them a far safer place form which to listen and understand your feelings.

        Regards

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        • #5
          Thanks Greg. If I had read a little more beforehand and had an understanding about how to approach my mother things may have been better. All I wanted from my mother was recognition that even though she had the best intentions by having me circumcised, I was actually damaged psychologically and physically by my circumcision. I was circumcised more tightly than my brothers and they didn't lose their frenulum.
          When I had my children I had no idea that my circumcision had negatively affected my sexual enjoment but I had an inate little inner voice that told me it was wrong to cut of part of my childrens penis.
          It is only in the last few months that I discovered what circumcision took from me and how wrong MGM is. I have gone through the depths of despair and become very angry that this still happens to boys and usually before they know the joys of an intact sex life or before leaving the Paediatric ward after birth. (Google Pukpok Tuli ..... horrific Philippines MGM )
          I have recently purchased a DTR device and I'm starting the process of restoration. This forum has already been a source of inspiration and hope that I can gain back sufficient feeling in my penis to be able to reach orgasm in a reasonable time frame. Currently it can take so long that it ends up nearly hurting which inevitably stops orgasm and I give up.
          One of the guys on this forum talks about all over body orgasms that he now has. I remember having just 2 of those in my whole life. The first was when I was 8 yo and a teenage neighbour gave me a handjob. The 2nd was at 31yo with masturbation having phone sex with my wife to be. All the rest of my life orgasms have been short and mild. I now believe that my damaged penis has been limiting my sexual pleasure.
          Sorry for rambling on.... Regards Mark

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          • #6
            Not rambling, getting a chance to talk about this stuff with people who understand and can relate. That is important. And I can very directly relate to a couple points you made. When we were having our first son, I too had no idea about the value of foreskins and that circumcision was wrong. And, like you, I just felt that it was wrong and did not want it to be done to my son unless there was a very good medical reason for doing so. It was a very strong feeling, but just a feeling. Fortunately, all the arguments the doctor used were easily refuted merely on a logical basis, and my wife was unsure but since I had the penis, was happy to let me drive the decision.

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            • #7
              Not rambling, getting a chance to talk about this stuff with people who understand and can relate. That is important. And I can very directly relate to a couple points you made. When we were having our first son, I too had no idea about the value of foreskins and that circumcision was wrong. And, like you, I just felt that it was wrong and did not want it to be done to my son unless there was a very good medical reason for doing so. It was a very strong feeling, but just a feeling. Fortunately, all the arguments the doctor used were easily refuted merely on a logical basis, and my wife was unsure but since I had the penis, was happy to let me drive the decision.

              And, I am one for who restoration has resulted in whole body orgasms. It is amazing what a climax is actually supposed to feel like. I am saddened that many men never feel that.

              Regards

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              • #8
                If more people would trust their "gut feelings" on this issue, many many kids would be spared this horror. ALWAYS trust your gut. It's your parental instincts kicking in.

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                • #9
                  Thanks for your comments and support, guys. I enjoy reading all of it.

                  I only had one brief conversation a few years ago with my dad on this subject.

                  I asked his reason for having me circumcised, and he responded that it "wasn't even a question". He apparently hadn't put any thought into the decision, not at the time, nor any time since. All he mentioned is that when he was in school, there was one incident in the locker rooms where a foreign kid was teased about having an intact penis (incidentally, there was never one situation during the entirety of my academic career that anyone except me had an opportunity to view my penis, so ya..). That, and probably the subconscious effect of my dad himself being circumcised, and the fact that there were really no methods of researching this in the early 90s... well, me and my brothers didn't stand much of the chance. :P The petty, arbitrary, and insufficient excuses offered up to justify the practice, makes this unfortunate situation all the more maddening..

                  When I have the chance, I'm going to approach my father about circumcision, using what I learned from the conversations with my mom. I'll probably talk about it on this thread.

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                  • #10
                    The internet is an amazing thing. I'm all the way from down under in Victoria Australia and was able to learn about foreskin restoration and purchase a DTR from America. I'm glad I found this forum as I have already picked up some wisdom that you guys have discovered on your journey. It is cathartic to be able to have people to resonate with. 😊 When I can figure out how to do it, I think I would like to start my own restoration blog on this forum. Thanks to you all 👍

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