Do You Curse?

[Loves of Zeus]

HI, as you all know that restoring your foreskin is such an arduous and long journey It takes several years and enormous effort in doing so. Do you ever feel like cursing the guy who cut down your foreskin; and if you were cut for religious reasons, then cursing the founder of the religion?

What are your thoughts guys?

[NITRO]

I do not. I just only want my parents to understand the pain it caused me through their religion (not Jewish). However, based on all the things that I went through in my life with my parents, that is completely optimistic thinking which has backfired in the past as my parents are at a certain place in their life and will always be that way since they were corrupted by their religious beliefs.

Now, I just want to turn around in my life and wish that this never happens to anyone else as I restore myself.

[OzVic]

I think most us are a tad upset under the skin for the years it takes to gradual undo what was done to us in 15min's of shear torture and 2 weeks of post operative pain when God / Nature made us perfect and no we did't need over 50% of penis skin, blood vessels and nerves removed as we would have grown into it naturally.

So Yes I agree restore and make sure no loved ones ever have to suffer such incredible utter stupidly ever again.
In my case so many physical side effects alone from a so called good job which I could list caused by infant circ one would hate to catalog other areas.

[parsecskin]

All the time! I curse the asshole doctor who cut me for not informing me of the consequences of the procedure, the loss of sensitivity, the need for lube, the discomfort of having your glans exposed all the time, the intensity of the post operative pain (pain killers hardly made a dent). That fucker didn't even TRY to talk me out of it. The reason I moved shortly thereafter was so I wasn't tempted to kill him (and my ex, who talked me into it). I'm over that now, but I still would beat him to a pulp if our paths crossed. It's pure hell remembering what it was like.

[Guest]

My thoughts are:

Tugging is the replacement for cursing, anger, blaming somebody else, feeling alienated, etc. Tugging itself is daily therapy.

Tugging is done by you, for you, and it eventually opens up part of the world to you. That makes a deeper "you". You won't hang on to being some sort of "victim". You rise above that cramped, fearful view of life.

With tugging results you become more of a person who can experience the world, less numb, less separated, less angry at the world, and even less angry at the inevitable assholes in it. You rise above that, see them for what they are. You take away their power over you.

You. You "build" part of yourself back into life with tugging. Do that, and there's no reason to curse or blame. There remains only the ability to experience life. That's scary for some, but it's there if you want it. And, if you have additional courage, and the knowledge it takes, the ability to work for the innocent who might suffer the same fate that you have, so that they won't have a reason to curse or blame.



My last thought is that this belongs in the Grief subsection (or, with it's hint of the petty insanity of religious intolerance, in the Bistro subsection).

[parsecskin]

My thoughts are:

Tugging is the replacement for cursing, anger, blaming somebody else, feeling alienated, etc. Tugging itself is daily therapy.

Tugging is done by you, for you, and it eventually opens up part of the world to you. That makes a deeper "you". You won't hang on to being some sort of "victim". You rise above that cramped, fearful view of life.

With tugging results you become more of a person who can experience the world, less numb, less separated, less angry at the world, and even less angry at the inevitable assholes in it. You rise above that, see them for what they are. You take away their power over you.

You. You "build" part of yourself back into life with tugging. Do that, and there's no reason to curse or blame. There remains only the ability to experience life. That's scary for some, but it's there if you want it. And, if you have additional courage, and the knowledge it takes, the ability to work for the innocent who might suffer the same fate that you have, so that they won't have a reason to curse or blame.



My last thought is that this belongs in the Grief subsection (or, with it's hint of the petty insanity of religious intolerance, in the Bistro subsection).

What a great way to put it. I've always known of the sense of empowerment restoration gives one and the intactivism side of this (which I do every chance I get), but to see it put into writing, this way, so simple, yet truly profound, really makes a lot of sense. What great words of wisdom, Info!

[In_Correct]

HI, as you all know that restoring your foreskin is such an arduous and long journey It takes several years and enormous effort in doing so. Do you ever feel like cursing the guy who cut down your foreskin; and if you were cut for religious reasons, then cursing the founder of the religion?

What are your thoughts guys?

Yes I curse every thing and every body invoved in the Sex Crimes Against Children that I was a victim of. This includes the epople that raised me, all of their relatives, who I can bet money on that tehya re all curcimcised. I can b et money on they woudl not understand what Circucmsionson really uis, and I caan also bet money on that they would not care about the apin that I went thorugh, even though I do not rememeber it. But that still does not make it right. A person unabel to walk nor talk nor rememebr is the PERFECT victim. They might as well cut off the infatns nose to spite their face. .. literally by cutting off their nose. The infatn would not rememebr but then wonce the ivnant discovers that peopel are born withn oses, then asks "mommy daddy why do people get their noses chopped off?" Then the ignroatn parents would say "Because relgions dictates that we msut give sacrifices to God and he said that we have to cut ouf our noses to de spite our faces. !" and then the kid woudl say "WHAT?! Has this ALWAYS been like this?!" and thent he igrnotnat paretns would say "No! Before we had to do Huamn Sacrifisec! And then after that God said that we have to do Animal Sacrifices! And then god sayd we have to give our first bourn children! Or at least our frist biurn son the nose! Be cause god creaetd us and we have tog ive back and show our appreciateion or spend enternetiny in Hell!" And then these relgious biased become Medcial Professionals and decided to amputate the nose to despite the face. The "scietnists" will say "It is just excess skin tissue! If people keep their nostrils, then boogers will acumulate! Nasty smelley boogers! And taht will cause Boogerial Cancer! Or even worse! Old Factory Cancer! And we certainly cannot risk the Nostril Conncare! Nostril Canser increases the possiblilty of Vernerila Disease!" And that is possibliy why many people from Africa are Nostrilless. They just do not know about the the FACIAL TISSUE that can be used to cleain the Nostrils. And when having Old Factory Sex, they can simply use Protection such as a nostril mask!!

Nobodty will understand that my views on religioun is taht it was established to control people to submit to ANYTHING which includes unusual form s of sex. They want children to increase the population of relgioun but they Circumcise (also they have done this to women also and sometimse still happens) the people be cuase they do not want the procreation to be ENJOYABLE. Instead tehy want it to be PainFul. and then they want to sell drugs to "cure" the symtoms caused by interfering with the natural body being able to heal itself. Viagara Falls, Cialis, etc. There are stories about PReachers mollesting the people because you aren't supposed to question God

And really Circumcison is a form of a Sex Crime that nobody wnats to questino. It is also a form of Sacrifice. It is quite obvious:

After World War II, A Bunch Of Religous People have taken refuge. A bout a decade or two later, Every Hsopital mandates Circucmsion. About a decade or two later, HIV AIDS is now deiscovered. None of these thigns are ccoincident.se. But nobody sees these obviosue connection.

It seems that many people are CIrcumcisons, especially thosue who are storngly relgisous. Some of the most Bloody rituatls. To my surprise, they are replacing the ritual with one that does not involve Snip Snip Yank Waahh.

There are other Religion which circumcise into childhood!

And then there are tribe based circumcisions which either you lose your teeth or you lose your foreskin, or "you don't get to hit puberty".

So you obviously know how I feel about religousn.

As far as my "parents" are concerned, I no longer consider them my parents. There are MANY things they did to abuse and neglect me, but if they didn't, I probably WOULD stop talking to them be cuase they circumcised me. I might not be so bitter if didn't know their views on circumcision but since they are brain washed relgion I am sock of areguing with them or debating about relgions. And they have always thought that the momemt they become parents, they automatically know every thing, and the children know nothing, and the children are property, not separate living beings. Sorry but I have seen other parents with their children, and it is much different.

....

But that is in the past and I am going to ekep them in the past. They are completely out of my life and I do not talke to them and I am doing much better without them. I ahev don e many things to improve my live and one of them is to Tug.

Ever since I started drinking mroe water, and exercising, and even being an Almost Vegan (I still eat honey.) My body started to look and even feel differently, including that part of my body. However, it looks absolutely disgusting, does not feel natural at all, to have Ugly Scar Of Relgioun. I cannot look at it unless a Tugger is on.

And so, I am determined, until I have an extremely long Fore Skin.

[Guest]

Self quote: "My last thought is that this belongs in the Grief subsection (or, with it's hint of the petty insanity of religious intolerance, in the Bistro subsection)"

And the other shoe drops.


Stability and a balanced view of the core message of this forum always brings out the unbalanced, especially when it's invited. We all know that from experience with the old forum, so it wasn't like we couldn't see it coming ... (long sigh). But there is a dedicated section for it.

So my vote is for Grief, in the interests of compassion.

[Violator]

I'm sorry but, how is religious intolerance petty insanity? Religion itself is literally organized, shared, insanity. Not all but a good portion of the crazy, dark, cruel, illogical injustices throughout history and even today are caused by religion. Most of the men on this forum were cut and are very unhappy about that fact. Circ has been pushed for non religious reasons as well but for the most part originated from religion. So it's pretty understandable and justified that some guys on this forum are gonna have an issue with it. So what is wrong with science minded non religious poeple having an issue with religion?

[Violator]

Here is an article by someone with much better writing ability then myself expressing a very similar sentiment about religious "tolerance"

http://thedailybanter.com/2013/04/why-cant-we-admit-that-religion-is-fing-crazy/

[Guest]

I'm sorry but, how is religious intolerance petty insanity? Religion itself is literally organized, shared, insanity. Not all but a good portion of the crazy, dark, cruel, illogical injustices throughout history and even today are caused by religion. Most of the men on this forum were cut and are very unhappy about that fact. Circ has been pushed for non religious reasons as well but for the most part originated from religion. So it's pretty understandable and justified that some guys on this forum are gonna have an issue with it. So what is wrong with science minded non religious poeple having an issue with religion?

Ah, yes.....the world of ideas. And hate.

The religious intolerance I referred to is the act of using a formal religion as a means to castigate (and perhaps subjugate) the people who follow it, in order to further you own agenda. Using that religion as a way of hatefully diminishing a perceived group of people. The phrase "Christ killers" comes to mind, certainly in this case, as does one of Nazi Germany's central efforts in the 30s and 40s. How about today's news in the Middle East, Sunni and Shia.

But you knew this. As well as I know it.

So ... pretty F'ing simple, unless you share that same insane agenda, or one similar, and you're trying to evade the sunlight. Do you share it? It's insanity, with historical evidence, current evidence. And it wants to continue on, castigating and lashing out. So ... mine was a reference to all the violent intolerance that has happened and is happening, in deed and in speech, and not some petticoat-hiking, one-notch-removed idea about something.

In other words, I'm referring to the underlying reality of it, not a hypothetical pose on a forum, taken in some sort of personal, misplaced, ignorant or disingenuous fit of pique. Speech, friend, is just one step away (or one shout, as Mick used to sing) from the reality of fly-blown corpses and the smell rising from them. Until you've seen 'em and smelled 'em, it's all just ideas and diffuse hate behind the safety of a forum..........

So......insanity (which happens to be a legal term), as plain as it could be. Doesn't belong on this forum, or in this section, because it shouldn't belong on the planet. Capisce, Sig. Trasgressore?

[Violator]

Ummm. I think I'm gonna say no actually. Religions can't go on uncriticized when things like genital mutilation are a core part their belief systems. I'm not advocating violence or hate speech but they need to be called out for the fucked up things they do in the name of their religion.

[Guest]

OK, World Religions 101:

It isn't religion, it's formalized religion that offends, mutilates, kills. It's the big business of formalized religion (and its offshoots), the corporate structure of formalized religion, because it's made of people so it to their underlying human nature. This is truest especially when human nature groups together. Why?

We are beasts. We are all too aware that we are toothless, clawless, weak and vulnerable, and soon dead, but as a group we can shred and destroy, so we do, from time to time, in an attempt to keep the dark at the edge of the firelight, and to pretend that we aren't soon pulled into that darkness. Human nature: bestial.

So we sacrifice to the dark. We kill, for the dark. We use religion's simple principles as a weapon, by twisting them from what they were and are, to what we can use better to serve our agendas. Religion's principles, after all, seek to elevate by leading the seeker into the thread of truth that is woven through ALL RELIGIONS. Get that? The core of ALL RELIGIOUS THOUGHT seeks to lead the seeker to the truth of existence.

But we twist those "instructions" into weapons, or ignore them completely, to cater to our fear of the dark. Has happened, is happening, will always happen. Because we are beasts. The very, very few of us who are seekers, know that we are also beasts at the same time. Religion itself observes that we are all beasts. That's really the first instruction towards the truth.

So again, it isn't religion, it's people who are the great offenders. Take 'em on, if you want to. Intactivists do that, indirectly, so there's one path. Good luck, there's millions of them, all ready to feel stronger. But you, the beast (just like me and all the others), owe it to the truth NOT to be a beast by taking that first step. Don't be in fact what you think "they" are.

That first step is internal. It's the equivalent of taking off the blinders; of beginning the process of restoration. Are you up to it? Most aren't. They're too afraid.

Take on the twisted, the fearful, if you choose to, not the instructions towards the truth.

Kapish now?

[Violator]

No, because I disagree that religion is the instructions to the truth. I think religion is garbage and is all out of fear. Living without religion is not rejecting the truth, it is belief that the truth is something so far disconnected from religion that religion will take a concept that perhaps has some truth to it and completely corrupt it into something insane. Atheists and agnostics can be a bunch of shit heads from time to time but when you get a bunch of Poeple believing the same lie, thinking it's the truth and nothing but the truth is infinitely more dangerous.

[Violator]

And buddy, my blinders have been removed for 4 years now since I left Christianity.