I think we should stop calling ourselves victims

[Arjay]

I really do

[eeeee]

I can imagine some reasons, but I'd rather hear yours. Why?

I mean, in a very basic sense, we are "victims" of unwanted body modification.

[Tormod]

Our time and effort is better spent restoring and speaking out against unnecessary (and most is unnecessary) circumcision.

[Nomad]

I don't want to justify to all circed men are victims. Perhaps some are satisfied with it. But certainly I am sure a majority in this forums sees this barbaric act cutting of a perfectly healty normal as nature intend it pleasure receptors on the tip of our penis very UNESSESARY.

Perhaps if I had not discovered Foreskin restoration I won't feel like this. Perhaps "ignorance is bliss". But very fortunately I have discovered what evil circumcision has done to me. I feel so violated and cursed many people on my resentment.

I am a victim of circumcision. I was about 11 when I was circed, a time where I just follow the stupid norm without being given proper information to the benefits and harmful effects to it. I was not that sexually active that time so I thought
my penis more as just as a tool to pee.

I am happy that I am more informed about this matter and sparred my little brother being a circumcision "victim". I think my parents too are victims, they just wanted to do what best for me, but now I know they do have some guilt lingering on circumcision me. I forgive them of course, the true evil is crooked so called "docs" telling it's fake benefits. I do hope our future generations won't continue this UNESSESARY harmful barbaric act.

If you think your not a victim I am curios to what your reasons are.

KOT!

[Arjay]

It is a ****ed u practice, but i'm not going to let it ruin my sex life, my psychological thinking, or stop me from enjoying life. Be glad we can even regain what was lost, the proper glands and gliding action. How many people are dying of diseases right now or missing limbs? I felt so selfish a long time ago when I was mad over being cut and I saw a woman who was happy as hell living without her hands and feet. I really, and you all, really ARE blessed. Because as ****ed as circumcision is, it could be a lot worse.

[Nomad]

It is a ****ed u practice, but i'm not going to let it ruin my sex life, my psychological thinking, or stop me from enjoying life. Be glad we can even regain what was lost, the proper glands and gliding action. How many people are dying of diseases right now or missing limbs? I felt so selfish a long time ago when I was mad over being cut and I saw a woman who was happy as hell living without her hands and feet. I really, and you all, really ARE blessed. Because as ****ed as circumcision is, it could be a lot worse.

I personally think we should not compared circumcision to other unfortunate circumstances . Circumcision is something that can be prevented so easily all it takes is that everybody becomes more informed. If the person himself knowing all the risks and benefits still want to do circumcision, sure it's his consensual sound judgmental decision. But many young boys are getting cut. Also although not a lot, some young baby boys are dying infection or/and other complications to circumcision. Many men, although not life threatening may have some problem regarding to their sexual part of their life.

Won't the world be a better place if there are more people less hurt and suffering? Even a single less person suffering ended is a joy to be celebrated. There are many kinds of conditions that has cause people discomfort that's why doctors, scientists and many other great people strive to help these people. We in turn can do something about this no matter how small the contribution to helping people , it still is very relevant.

Well restoring has made me feel better and many other people. Knowing the fact circumcision have made me produce less sensations on the penis has drove me to explore other kinds of sensations including sexually ones.

Your views on circumcision is interesting, it have added more insight to how I view things.

[RAnonUS19B]

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[parsecskin]

No I see anyone that has been forcibly cut, or didn't know better too be victims. Male, or Female, Child, or Adult. I wonder, if you are speaking of that woman that was born without legs and arms? Realistically if she was born like that, she is not a victim, just happen too be unlucky in the gene, or disorder area... While this is something forced upon children, and ignorant adults, but doctors, or other circumcision/mutilation supporters. This can be stopped, and prevented, it is a very dangerous, and hurtful practice, so it does make those that have it forced upon them or those that don't know better Victims, it's undeniable they are victims and they can call them self's victims..

Dead on dude! We're ALL victims of "The System". It's broke. The ONLY thing that matter to the cutters is $$$$. Period.

[Nomad]

I think that the mindset of "other people have gone through worse than me" does not click with me. Only the person who is going through that ordeal can understand that pain. I understand that circumcision has robbed me of various important functions. Many people too in here has been affected and trying to strive for the better.

Other people with different kinds of condition also have the chance a chance to improve their condition. Although the end result is not perfect, it may have make his/her condition better. Also if all means have been exhausted, the will to strive for a better life is not all a waste. As it will give greater meaning to life of a person.

I cannot deeply understand the ordeals other people are going through since I don't experience it. So it would be arrogant of me to talk about how they feel.

KOT!

[gdom]

Absolutely not. We ARE victims of a terrible crime and if we don't at least call it out as what it is, who will?

We don't all need to act like victims, but some of us are more affected than others and I'm sorry but it DOES HAVE A GREAT EFFECT on sex life, personal well-being, etc.

I was almost suicidal, I have no frenulum, waking up with constant nightmares about being assaulted for years. If you don't have these problems, great. But don't deny they exist so that you can feel better about yourself.

Other people have lost their entire penis to circumcision and have indeed killed themselves. Their lives were absolutely far beyond what even we can understand and there's no way I'll undermine the true nature of this disgusting practice by not considering those directly harmed by this crime to be victims of said crime.

[scotsman85]

I don't consider myself a victim, but I have been affected by it in so many ways.

It has knocked my self confidence with my body image

I was singled out as the only circumcised boy in my school year of 30+ boys

I have issues with being naked/urinating in public

I have felt frustrated with the lack of sensation either in masturbation or during sex

And just as a final kick in the ass, my first vivid memory is of being 4 years old, in hospital, looking at my freshly circumcised penis while trying to use the toilet.

Victim? Victimised?
No
Mentally and physically affected by being circumcised?
Yes.

[Arjay]

We're grown ass men. Your foreskin being cut off is worse than a woman with no feet or hands?

[scotsman85]

No, I'd freely admit that I am lucky to have my health and many people are not as lucky, but for such a simple small thing, it has taken a physical and mental toll on the health and happiness of many men, including a lot of those on this forum.

[greg_b]

We're grown ass men. Your foreskin being cut off is worse than a woman with no feet or hands?

I do not see much value in comparing who has it worse off. That leads to trying to value things, figure out which is worth more. Is a hand worth more that the most important part of your body for sexual feelings and functions? Perhaps, but it is a value judgement that each person should make themselves. My values are not necessarily the same as your values.

Telling someone to man up because you do not place as high a value on a missing body part than he does will not go anywhere worthwhile that I can see.

I consider myself a victim of RIC. The doctors at the time convinced my parents through the use of fearmongering and biased and faulty reasoning, to have my foreskin amputated. There was no medical need to remove that healthy tissue, even worse, they could have waited until I was old enough to decide for myself. So, yes, I find it easy to consider myself a victim.

I think the more important issue may be what you do with the concept that you are a victim. One thing you need to do is work through the grieving stages, more than likely. But do you work through them, or do you get stuck? Perhaps you can't get through the grieving stages because you hear that it shouldn't be a big deal and you should just man up. Perhaps you get overwhelmed with it because you keep reading about all the harm it does, and is seems your love life will suck. Perhaps you feel overwhelmed because the parents who loved you betrayed you in your mind. Perhaps....

But if you can work through it, and come out with a way to move forward in a positive way, I don't see how recognizing that you were a victim is a bad thing. I was a victim. I am restoring, I have educated myself to the point where I can argue and debate why RIC should be stopped. I can make a positive difference and my life is satisfying. To me, the recognition that I am a victim is not interfering with a full and positive life, so it is a reasonable thing to say and feel.

Regards

[scotsman85]

I consider myself a victim of RIC.

RIC?
Enlighten me please!