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    Hi everyone I just wanted to share a thought. We are living in the #metoo movement era. I believe this is very good thing for our culture. I imagine most of us here are very aware that we are living in a rape culture. I watch the news a lot and for the last few years its been hard watching all the allegations come out.

    Anyway I just wanted to throw the idea out there hoping maybe to get the circumcised involved in the #metoo movement. The time really seems ripe. If this topic has already been brought up on some other post, oh well its worth repeating. I believe there is a connection between circumcision and our current rape culture today. At the very least I hope this post plants a seed that will grow into something.

    I understand that everyone is very opinionated, including myself. If you disagree thats fine, but keep it to yourself. If you only want to bring negativity to this post then please refrain. For anyone else who would like to see this issue finally be addressed. Please be brave and continue to speak out. If we want to rid America of circumcision we can't continue to be silent. We have been raped and mutilated. Most of us before we could fight back. Its no wonder rape is normal in this culture of ours. We have been taught rape at birth...

    The Industry tries to justifiy their actions in many ways. Please remember you don't need a Ph.D to know you have been sexually assaulted. So don't let anyone tell you that circumcision isn't an issue.

  • #2
    Originally posted by RTMHtom View Post
    Hi everyone I just wanted to share a thought. We are living in the #metoo movement era. I believe this is very good thing for our culture. I imagine most of us here are very aware that we are living in a rape culture. I watch the news a lot and for the last few years its been hard watching all the allegations come out.

    Anyway I just wanted to throw the idea out there hoping maybe to get the circumcised involved in the #metoo movement. The time really seems ripe. If this topic has already been brought up on some other post, oh well its worth repeating. I believe there is a connection between circumcision and our current rape culture today. At the very least I hope this post plants a seed that will grow into something.

    I understand that everyone is very opinionated, including myself. If you disagree thats fine, but keep it to yourself. If you only want to bring negativity to this post then please refrain. For anyone else who would like to see this issue finally be addressed. Please be brave and continue to speak out. If we want to rid America of circumcision we can't continue to be silent. We have been raped and mutilated. Most of us before we could fight back. Its no wonder rape is normal in this culture of ours. We have been taught rape at birth...

    The Industry tries to justifiy their actions in many ways. Please remember you don't need a Ph.D to know you have been sexually assaulted. So don't let anyone tell you that circumcision isn't an issue.
    I think the main involvement we all already have with the #MeToo movement is that we are victims of sexual violence. Our rights were disregarded out of ignorance regarding the value of normal intact genitals, and it STILL goes on.
    -Ron Low
    Service@TLCTugger.com
    847 414-1692 Chicago

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Reality
      You have to prove an actual "sexual" meaning, as part of the motivation of a specific individual, using that definition
      Suppose you tied your daughter (or a patient) down and sliced off her labia because you believed she would be more attractive to potential heterosexual mates one day. Could that ever be called sexual violence?
      -Ron Low
      Service@TLCTugger.com
      847 414-1692 Chicago

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Reality
        You have to prove an actual "sexual" meaning, as part of the motivation of a specific individual, using that definition
        If I slid the blunt metal handle of a butter knife into your daughter's vagina, would that be sexual violence even if I "only" thought I was casting a spell to protect her during childbirth decades hence?

        Infant circumcision begins with the insertion of a blunt metal probe into a tightly closed sexual orifice of a healthy normal person to break the synechial bonds. Just that act - even if no cutting ensued - would alter the victim's sexual experience dramatically forever.
        -Ron Low
        Service@TLCTugger.com
        847 414-1692 Chicago

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        • #5
          I don't think that infant female genital mutilation was banned due to it being "sexual violence," I think it was banned because it was a painful and unnecessary surgical procedure with negative effects, both physical and psychological.

          I would argue that the male infant counterpart is the same, and that neither is "sexual violence." It's just a really bad surgical procedure that happens to be performed on the patient's sexual organs.

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          • #6
            Reality, I don't think you understand. You sound just like the accused of rape. You have taken so many assumptions, and you are attacking peoples character. Defending something awful that people get away with. But you don't know any of us or clearly much of anything. Are we angry? I haven't met a circumcised man that isn't. Circumcision has changed my life for the worst. You take the assumption that I'm trying to get people hanged. I have forgiven the man who has mutilated me. The devil lurks behind every corner. It wasn't his responsibility to protect me. To forgive and restore is to rise above. But It bothers me that this nation mutilates their sons. Circumcision is indeed rape. Do I have to prove it in court? Maybe one day hopefully. But it starts with our culture that isn't educated or informed on the foreskin. To this culture, the male genitalia is a joke and not as important as the vagina. It's not ok to body shame women but there is no lack of body shaming to men and their genitals on just about every level. So much for equality. News flash the vagina is meaningless without the other. The goal is a world with intact genitals for male, female and don't forget trans people who also face people altering them before they become adults, able to decide for themselves. If you don't know the importance of it then It doesn't seem like loss at all, which is right where the industry wants us. And thats where were at. You said it yourself you don't believe its an issue on the real world stage. Which just shows you don't know how damaging physically and psychologically circumcision really is. Every point you have brought up has been covered in books and links all over the net. By professionals all over the world. The USA is behind on a lot of things including this.


            Here is some good reading for you:

            http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/

            https://www.amazon.com/dp/0964489538/ref=cm_sw_su_dp

            As far as circumcision not being sexual oh boy do I have some things to share I hope you are ready:

            http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Acorn_Society

            Yes its wiki but there are references at the bottom.

            https://circumcision.org/circumcisio...ers-the-brain/

            These are just a few and theres tons more.

            By the way. What and who are you to this community? Are you a cut man? I hope before you respond again that you check out the links or are you just here to troll and victim shame?

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            • #7
              Long live Judge Kavanaugh!

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              • #8
                Reality, I really have no respect for you. I imagine most people in your life don't. No one cares what you have to say. Why? Because instead of just giving out your two cents to help or inform. You have attacked and insulted everyone for feeling they the way they do. And painted a picture that isn't true. Nothing you have said about me is true. But I have to admit you are good at making stuff up. Is this how you fight your battles in life too? Fallaciously? If you don't agree thats fine. You are entitled to feel how you do too. I asked that if you don't agree just ignore this post. You claim to have no interest in the post. So then why are you here lol?! The post was just made to encourage the anti-circumcision community to get involved in the #metoo movement if they haven't already. It appears that it already has and that is good to hear. I'd be more surprised if it wasn't so. Since they have, the post was over at the first reply. But no, you had to come in and make it about you lol. Based on your attacks, you are the only one here; angry and hateful. I don't know why. But whatever the reason. I'm sure if you reached out, even to me, you wouldn't be rejected.

                By the way its just as I predicted, you obviously didn't look at any of the links that address all the points on hand. The links have info provided by professionals. How is that not real world enough for you lol? The original post was the point of the discussion. You went off on some false narrative that isn't even relevant. In a poor attempt to make the discussion go in your favor. If you want me to see your side try not attacking and insulting the opposition. And be willing to open your mind to another idea, rather than dismissing it, because you're to afraid to admit that there might be more to circumcision than you thought you knew.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RTMHtom View Post
                  Are we angry? I haven't met a circumcised man that isn't.
                  You must not have met very many circumcised men, then. You need to remember that we live in an anti-circumcision echo chamber in this forum. You've only talked about circumcision to men who came here to talk about how they are unhappy with circumcision.

                  I took a class in college about human sexuality. It was a pretty liberal class, we talked about how everybody should have sexual freedoms to do whatever they want. We talked about negative effects of surgery on newborn intersex individuals. We talked about how bad female genital mutilation is. We talked about a lot of things that I think are insane, like people who fall in love (sexually) with furniture and the Golden Gate Bridge. We talked about things that I don't agree with, like "healthy at every size." The whole entire class revolved around everyone being free to have control of their own bodies and feelings.

                  Then we started talking about circumcision. She told us that circumcision is a good thing. She told us that it is a healthy procedure that helps prevent spread of STD's. She told us that it helps people fit in with society. She completely reverted on every sentiment she fed to us just to say that circumcision is a good thing. And when she gave an anonymous poll to the class (~300 people) on our opinions on circumcision, I was the only one who gave a negative opinion.

                  That's the fight you're signing up for if you're an intactivist in the US. Even the most progressive and generally educated students in a liberal university are voting that circumcision is good. Most circumcised people in this country would probably defend circumcision. We think that we are fighting the good fight, but so many people just really don't care.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RTMHtom View Post
                    Reality, I don't think you understand. You sound just like the accused of rape. You have taken so many assumptions, and you are attacking peoples character. Defending something awful that people get away with. But you don't know any of us or clearly much of anything. Are we angry? I haven't met a circumcised man that isn't. Circumcision has changed my life for the worst. You take the assumption that I'm trying to get people hanged. I have forgiven the man who has mutilated me. The devil lurks behind every corner. It wasn't his responsibility to protect me. To forgive and restore is to rise above. But It bothers me that this nation mutilates their sons. Circumcision is indeed rape. Do I have to prove it in court? Maybe one day hopefully. But it starts with our culture that isn't educated or informed on the foreskin. To this culture, the male genitalia is a joke and not as important as the vagina. It's not ok to body shame women but there is no lack of body shaming to men and their genitals on just about every level. So much for equality. News flash the vagina is meaningless without the other. The goal is a world with intact genitals for male, female and don't forget trans people who also face people altering them before they become adults, able to decide for themselves. If you don't know the importance of it then It doesn't seem like loss at all, which is right where the industry wants us. And thats where were at. You said it yourself you don't believe its an issue on the real world stage. Which just shows you don't know how damaging physically and psychologically circumcision really is. Every point you have brought up has been covered in books and links all over the net. By professionals all over the world. The USA is behind on a lot of things including this.


                    Here is some good reading for you:

                    http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/

                    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0964489538/ref=cm_sw_su_dp

                    As far as circumcision not being sexual oh boy do I have some things to share I hope you are ready:

                    http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Acorn_Society

                    Yes its wiki but there are references at the bottom.

                    https://circumcision.org/circumcisio...ers-the-brain/

                    These are just a few and theres tons more.

                    By the way. What and who are you to this community? Are you a cut man? I hope before you respond again that you check out the links or are you just here to troll and victim shame?
                    I think the point Reality is trying to make here is not to dismiss you feelings RTMHtom or claim that you should not be upset about the issue, but that from a legal standpoint, using the term "sexual assault" will not hold up in a court of law. The majority of doctor's are not doing it as a sexual act. They think there are medical, cultural, or any other benefits that seem to outweigh leaving the baby intact. Claiming it is sexual assault will not lend the medical establishment of thinking it in that way because they are treating it like any other medical procedure. There may be outliers who are getting some sexual satisfaction from circumcision, as you provided, but it is by no means the norm. While you may feel personally that you have been sexually assaulted (I do as well), the narrow definition of that term does not lend itself to convincing the public that is the case, so while RIC may be as bad as rape or worse, claiming it is rape won't convince the judge or jury.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by deja_ale View Post

                      I think the point Reality is trying to make here is not to dismiss you feelings RTMHtom or claim that you should not be upset about the issue, but that from a legal standpoint, using the term "sexual assault" will not hold up in a court of law. The majority of doctor's are not doing it as a sexual act. They think there are medical, cultural, or any other benefits that seem to outweigh leaving the baby intact. Claiming it is sexual assault will not lend the medical establishment of thinking it in that way because they are treating it like any other medical procedure. There may be outliers who are getting some sexual satisfaction from circumcision, as you provided, but it is by no means the norm. While you may feel personally that you have been sexually assaulted (I do as well), the narrow definition of that term does not lend itself to convincing the public that is the case, so while RIC may be as bad as rape or worse, claiming it is rape won't convince the judge or jury.
                      And yet, if anyone does this to a female infant, it won't be a malpractice lawsuit, but a prison sentence they'll be facing.

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                      • #12
                        Well the information isn't hard to find: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116

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                        • #13
                          Dude, chill out. I'm not interested in having a flame war with you. What did I write that indicates I read the link through the filter of my own bias? All I did was post a link!

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