On Facebook some Asshat accused us of Body Dysmorphic Disorder. lets deconstruct that.

[RighteousMartyr]

not the best at analyzing this kind of nonsense.

[greg_b]

Well, I have not looked at the facebook post. But to begin the discussions, it is best to first get some common definitions. so here is a start.

Body dysmorphic disorder is a mental disorder in which you can't stop thinking about one or more perceived defects or flaws in your appearance — a flaw that, to others, is either minor or not observable. But you may feel so ashamed and anxious that you may avoid many social situations. When you have body dysmorphic disorder, you intensely obsess over your appearance and body image, repeatedly checking the mirror, grooming or seeking reassurance, sometimes for many hours each day. Your perceived flaw and the repetitive behaviors cause you significant distress, and impact your ability to function in your daily life. You may seek out numerous cosmetic procedures to try to "fix" your perceived flaw. Afterward, you may feel a temporary satisfaction, but often the anxiety returns and you may resume searching for a way to fix your perceived flaw. Source: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...e/ovc-20200935

That does not sound like me, but I can see someone who is judgmental and not willing to understand, but does not want to face the fact that an important body part for sexual feeling and function was amputated, without adequate anesthesia, might come to that conclusion. And, frankly, on some occasions we do get members that seem pretty close to this description in the way they post, so it is not totally unbelievable to think that there could be some. Shrug.

Personally, I think a better comparison is:

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a mental health condition that's triggered by a terrifying event — either experiencing it or witnessing it. Symptoms may include flashbacks, nightmares and severe anxiety, as well as uncontrollable thoughts about the event. Many people who go through traumatic events have difficulty adjusting and coping for a while, but they don't have PTSD — with time and good self-care, they usually get better. But if the symptoms get worse or last for months or even years and interfere with your functioning, you may have PTSD. Getting effective treatment after PTSD symptoms develop can be critical to reduce symptoms and improve function. Source: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...n/con-20022540

Note that complications include:

Post-traumatic stress disorder can disrupt your whole life: your job, your relationships, your health and your enjoyment of everyday activities. Having PTSD also may increase your risk of other mental health problems, such as:

• Depression and anxiety
• Issues with drugs or alcohol use
• Eating disorders
• Suicidal thoughts and actions

And, I would say that most of us RIC victims have been able to process and work through that over the years, but that some impact may still be present. Just a few thoughts to ponder....

Regards

[parsecskin]

We restorers are not the one with body dysmorphic disorder. We are simply trying to undo the damage caused by circumcision . The ones with with BDD are the pro cutters who cast aside logic, science, evolution, ethics, and common sense. Because of the way circumcision has infiltrated and has been so ingrained in OUR society, it is really a massive social disease . Infants are cut against their will , and many older kids and adults are body shamed until they succumb and get cut. That's fucked up.

[RighteousMartyr]

Well, I have not looked at the facebook post. But to begin the discussions, it is best to first get some common definitions. so here is a start.



That does not sound like me, but I can see someone who is judgmental and not willing to understand, but does not want to face the fact that an important body part for sexual feeling and function was amputated, without adequate anesthesia, might come to that conclusion. And, frankly, on some occasions we do get members that seem pretty close to this description in the way they post, so it is not totally unbelievable to think that there could be some. Shrug.

Personally, I think a better comparison is:



Note that complications include:



And, I would say that most of us RIC victims have been able to process and work through that over the years, but that some impact may still be present. Just a few thoughts to ponder....

Regards

a concern he noted is that many people seemed happy enough with their penis until they encountered intactivism

that may be true...

but in my opinion, its because they got deprogramed, they'd previously been brainwashed, and one of the reasons so many American circumcised men cling to brainwashing so ardently is because it shields them from a painful truth.

You can be enlightened and miserable, or self deluded and happy, s eems to be the choice of Circumcised men.

[greg_b]

a concern he noted is that many people seemed happy enough with their penis until they encountered intactivism

that may be true...

but in my opinion, its because they got deprogramed, they'd previously been brainwashed, and one of the reasons so many American circumcised men cling to brainwashing so ardently is because it shields them from a painful truth.

You can be enlightened and miserable, or self deluded and happy, s eems to be the choice of Circumcised men.

I think there are more choices than that. I would not say I was enlightened and miserable. Enlightened and shocked at how doctors might be biased, enlightened and curious if restoration would work, enlightened and frustrated that the process was taking so long, enlightened and amazed at how much better sex was, etc.

Regards

[RighteousMartyr]

Oh for the record heres the Asshat in question. ask him if you dare.

https://www.facebook.com/CircumcisionChoice/?fref=ts

May you live to see us again he seeks to rebrainwash us, since we escaped american cultural brainwashing.

Oh heres a picture id like Ideas on how to edit in an insulting fashion?

[greg_b]

Thanks, but I see little value in engaging. Clearly they have their position entrenched, just looking at the wording they use to refer to intactivists. Research has shown that facts and logic are not very effective in this situation.

Regards

[LookingGlass]

I was a bit shocked to find pics of pro-circumcision protests. Do you think these protests are a major obstacle for intactivism? Or will people see "intactivism is a mental illness" and think "what's intactivism? I'll google it", do research, and turn into intactivists?

[greg_b]

I was a bit shocked to find pics of pro-circumcision protests. Do you think these protests are a major obstacle for intactivism? Or will people see "intactivism is a mental illness" and think "what's intactivism? I'll google it", do research, and turn into intactivists?

I think that this facebook account you found represents a small part of society. Somehow they have gotten the idea that intactivists are trying to bully people into keeping their sons intact. That is flawed thinking, but perhaps they have encountered intactivists that are bullies? I do not know. But, I am confident that at some point, they, and the rest of society will see the compelling arguments for human rights and bodily integrity, along with the value of foreskins.

I think the frustrating thing is that we can't change everyone's mind now. It takes time, and that is very frustrating, knowing innocent infant boys are being traumatized for bad reasons.

But that is my thought, others may feel differently.

Regards

[RighteousMartyr]

I was a bit shocked to find pics of pro-circumcision protests. Do you think these protests are a major obstacle for intactivism? Or will people see "intactivism is a mental illness" and think "what's intactivism? I'll google it", do research, and turn into intactivists?

The counter protest Was an attempt I think to send a message to US as much as to society

They wanted to show that they were "Standing up" for the "Heroic Doctors"

I think that their trolls personally.

[TheRifleman]

. . . Because of the way circumcision has infiltrated and has been so ingrained in OUR society, it is really a massive social disease . . .

"Massive Social Disease," is a perfect symptom of what we Intactivists are up against.