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  • ACTION ALERT!! Baby in Alabama to be Force Circumcised-Please sign petition!

    There is a baby in Cullman, AL to be force circumcised against the mother's wishes TOMORROW by Dr Tara Fales of Cullman Regional Med Ctr. Please Email the hospital and show your support AND sign the petition to stop it. All the links are below.
    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-braelons-family
    http://medicalkidnap.com/2016/07/10/...hes-of-family/
    https://www.crmchospital.com/contact_us.aspx

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    Assuming this is real, and while the mother's age MAY have some bearing on this situation ( state guardianship vs emancipation vs "rape") no circumcision will likely happen. Probably should repeat that. No circumcision will likely happen. It CAN'T happen, not without clinical review and an existing clinical indication. A hypothetical "future" statistical risk has NO bearing on present indications, so no physician will touch it, especially if it's not paid for, especially not at this point in time. Alabama is known for knuckle dragging, but I doubt they'll risk the legal ramifications.

    This is generally similar to that kid on the old forum that Distalero said wouldn't be circumcised, in that this is post birth, with no symptoms. And D. was right, wasn't he. I'm bettin' it won't happen.

    As Distalero used to say, time will tell. And as he also said, helps to f'ing know what happens in the real world, not what some yellow press rag says might happen.

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    • #3
      You're right Info! The attorney's petition and an order from the court STOPPED the circumcision. See: Margaret Ellen Bradford

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      Carole Anne Babyak Brother K!!!!


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      BREAKING NEWSHR has been halted from performing the circumcision by the attorney's petition and order of the court!!! Thank you to everyone!!! LikeShow more reactions
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Info View Post
        Assuming this is real
        Fair question. I have seen no journalistic source for any of this.

        Originally posted by Info View Post
        This is generally similar to that kid on the old forum that Distalero said wouldn't be circumcised, in that this is post birth, with no symptoms. And D. was right, wasn't he.
        If you're referring to Chase Hironimus from Florida, he WAS circumcised against the mother's (and his own expressed) wishes.
        -Ron Low
        [email protected]
        847 414-1692 Chicago

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        • #5
          Originally posted by admin View Post


          If you're referring to Chase Hironimus from Florida, he WAS circumcised against the mother's (and his own expressed) wishes.
          If you have the details I'd appreciate it if you post them. There had to be something physical (symptoms which didn't respond to conservative treatment) going on that allowed the provider to request it, and which also passed muster with the carrier's guidelines (unless the carrier had a hand-shake deal with a physicians' group). More to the situation, in other words.

          I've looked and I'm not able to find that the child was actually circumcised, or if he was, what the legal fallout was from the Florida State Board. I did find that the mother capitulated "under duress", which immediately raises a red flag, that not being legal. If this happened, then the questions are: who did it, who paid for it (out of pocket? Unlikely if it was done in a facility and not a doctor's office, which would also be unlikely on a 4 year old), and what were the child's physical symptoms. There have to be physical symptoms of clinically defined dysfunction; from Milliman, or ICD-10 codes, or whatever's used in Florida. Like bid D said, somethin' (still) isn't right here.

          Contrary to my post in the Grief section, I'm actually NOT the christian god's son, so maybe I can learn something here

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          • #6
            Info, Ron is right. Chase was cut after his asshole dad got custody and his mom was BULLIED into signing the consent form. A few minutes research on the internet will yield all sorts of info. Unless you would consider info absorbing info to be cannibalism.lol.

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            • #7
              I've only found references to the mom having signed an original parenting contract with the father, part of which was circ for the child, then eventually signing for the circumcision "under duress" after she decided against that part of it, but this opens a whole line of questions, mostly legal, but some clinical questions as well.

              The only thing I've found is that the child had a "complication" with urination, which is too vague to satisfy me clinically. It was supposedly phimosis, so apparently there were physical symptoms, or enough, anyhow, to end-run the clinical review . But the problem is, that isn't enough information to get a view on what actually happened. Too bad, among other issues, this serves to confirm the misunderstanding that circumcision can just happen to a 4 year old without review. So there's more here, clinical and legal, but I can't find it yet. I don't think the popular press either knows or cares about that angle, so I don't expect to learn anything, not the stuff I want to know.

              I've just read that the child has leukemia, and was on chemo, which ironically enough would've stopped the circumcision. The gods can be cruel. I'll keep looking for the clinical/legal end of things. Maybe ARC has something on the situation. Sure would like to know who requested the procedure, who did it, who reviewed it, who paid for it. I know this much, this wouldn't have happened in my State, unless it was on the orders of the carrier's Chief Medical Director, because everybody else, from the requestor's office on up, would've backed away from it, if there was any hint of illegality, ie "duress", and any hint of not complying fully with the review guidelines first.

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              • #8
                Check out "Chases Guardians" on FB and Google. You may also go to Brother K's FB page and message him. He was instrumental in supporting Heather and has the entire accurate inside scoop. Not sure if he will reply right now as he is on a 30 FB ban from posting because of THIS story at the top of the page. He outed the Dr. that was going to cut Braelon. You may try messaging Carol Ann Babyak, K's GF, on his page too. I'm sure she would know.

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                • #9
                  The problem was obviously not immediate if the problem was real at all IMO. He certainly didn't develop a condition right at or near the moment in time that other people were deciding what to do to his penis...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Info View Post
                    There had to be something physical (symptoms which didn't respond to conservative treatment) going on that allowed the provider to request it, . . .

                    There have to be physical symptoms of clinically defined dysfunction; from Milliman, or ICD-10 codes, or whatever's used in Florida.
                    Sadly, for Chase the bullshit diagnostic code is "redundant foreskin" which we know should not exist and should definitely not be applied to a healthy child. It started when the cut dad said the kid was dribbling during urination.
                    -Ron Low
                    [email protected]
                    847 414-1692 Chicago

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by admin View Post

                      Sadly, for Chase the bullshit diagnostic code is "redundant foreskin" which we know should not exist and should definitely not be applied to a healthy child. It started when the cut dad said the kid was dribbling during urination.
                      Yeah, this is why I'd like to know who the insurance carrier was. The guidelines I'm familiar with have no "redundant foreskin" as a clinical indication for circumcision, unless......"redundant" refers to an amount of tissue left post circumcision, which is still causing DYSFUNCTION of some sort, the assumption being, anything else would be cosmetic, and NOT approved.

                      This whole case stinks from square one, going by the guidelines that I've seen used in the past. I admit, if code N47.8 was used, there can be some latitude in "interpretation", but only if there is some sort of background handshake between pay grades higher than the usual review staff, and perhaps higher than the committee that the review staff would hand this case off to.

                      Anyhow, thanks for the lead. Why someone didn't follow up with a malpractice claim, considering the attention it brought, is beyond me, unless no one realized this could be done, which is hard to believe. Looks like everybody on the legal end just gave up.

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