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**Guest** · 07-28-2016, 10:55 AM

What your question"s missing is context. Can't say anything about "offensive" without more of the conversation, or at least the way it was drifting. (With maybe a contrast with what Facebook's rules are, nowadays).

**RighteousMartyr** · 07-28-2016, 11:12 AM

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**parsecskin** · 07-28-2016, 01:09 PM

Doesn't surprise me one bit. FB has been censoring a lot of intactivist stuff. Hell, Brother K is still on ANOTHER 30 day ban. Consider yourself lucky its only a 24 hr ban.
BTW, I think it IS totally possible that circ caused your autism given the fact that the intense pain, when done as an infant, DOES improperly wire the brain in those areas dealing with emotion, perception, and reasoning. This HAS been documented with MRI studies.There's no way to really know though. Could also have been mercury based preservatives in some vaccines you received.

**Guest** · 07-28-2016, 03:40 PM

My 2 cents (well, not my 2 cents) on what's been posted thus far:

http://www.autism-society.org/what-is/causes/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3018252/ Read the first sentence of the last paragraph.

All the basic childhood vaccines, even those with multiple vaccines, have NEVER contained thimersol, that I know of.

Upshot? Nobody knows what causes autism, but the smart money is on a multi factorial/genetic cause. Circumcision has NEVER been on that list, nor should it be, and certainly autism is not a serious intactivist issue. And as far as some "intactivists" being seen as a fringe group? Some of you are, by definition and by what you focus on.

**RighteousMartyr** · 07-28-2016, 04:41 PM

My guess is a theory ive heard elsewhere on facebook, typical PPC Tactics all report the same person or page all at once, until facebook decides that theirs no smoke without fire.

Finding all the reports annoying, in addition they see us as a fringe group.

**Tony** · 07-28-2016, 05:25 PM

I've read FB uses workers in India to read and remove inappropriate posts.... so if some cubicle drone in India is deleting posts so his boss sees he is doing something for the 2 ruppees he's getting paid every day......that could be the issue.

**RighteousMartyr** · 07-28-2016, 11:19 PM

Oh any thoughts on a post I got from the PPC Crowd?

How do I report it?

**ml66uk** · 08-06-2016, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Info View Post

Upshot? Nobody knows what causes autism, but the smart money is on a multi factorial/genetic cause. Circumcision has NEVER been on that list, nor should it be, and certainly autism is not a serious intactivist issue. And as far as some "intactivists" being seen as a fringe group? Some of you are, by definition and by what you focus on.

No-one's saying that circumcision is the one and only cause of autism (there are intact males and females who are autistic, so it clearly isn't), but...
Two peer-reviewed studies, using different methods and postulating different mechanisms (with several references) have been published in top journals, showing strong correlations between infant male circ and autism/ASD, so it's wrong to dismiss a causal relationship out of hand.

The most likely explanation is an indirect causal relationship due to neonatal exposure to acetaminophen (aka Tylenol, Paracetamol, Panadol), but that's far from clear. If any other elective intervention showed such significant correlations though, it would already have been abandoned as a precautionary measure.

Bauer, Kriebel, 2013

Prenatal and perinatal analgesic exposure and autism: an ecological link - PubMed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698

This ecological analysis identified country-level correlations between indicators of prenatal and perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. State level correlation was also identified for the indicator of perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. Like all ecological analyses, these data ca …

Prenatal and perinatal analgesic exposure and autism: an ecological link - Environmental Health

http://www.ehjournal.net/content/12/1/41

Background Autism and Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental disorders. Susceptibility is believed to be the interaction of genetic heritability and environmental factors. The synchronous rises in autism/ASD prevalence and paracetamol (acetaminophen) use, as well as biologic plausibility have led to the hypothesis that paracetamol exposure may increase autism/ASD risk. Methods To explore the relationship of antenatal paracetamol exposure to ASD, population weighted average autism prevalence rates and paracetamol usage rates were compared. To explore the relationship of early neonatal paracetamol exposure to autism/ASD, population weighted average male autism prevalence rates for all available countries and U.S. states were compared to male circumcision rates – a procedure for which paracetamol has been widely prescribed since the mid-1990s. Prevalence studies were extracted from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Summary of Autism/ASD Prevalence Studies database. Maternal paracetamol usage and circumcision rates were identified by searches on Pub Med. Results Using all available country-level data (n = 8) for the period 1984 to 2005, prenatal use of paracetamol was correlated with autism/ASD prevalence (r = 0.80). For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n = 9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r = 0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S. The country-level correlation between autism/ASD prevalence in males and paracetamol was considerably weaker before 1995 when the drug became widely used during circumcision. Conclusions This ecological analysis identified country-level correlations between indicators of prenatal and perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. State level correlation was also identified for the indicator of perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. Like all ecological analyses, these data cannot provide strong evidence of causality. However, biologic plausibility is provided by a growing body of experimental and clinical evidence linking paracetamol metabolism to pathways shown to be important in autism and related developmental abnormalities. Taken together, these ecological findings and mechanistic evidence suggest the need for formal study of the role of paracetamol in autism.

"For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n = 9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country's circumcision rate (r = 0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S."

"A strong correlation (r = 0.98) was found in the country-level data between circumcision and autism spectrum disorder prevalence rates for boys born after 1995 (when circumcision guidelines began recommending analgesics). The slope of this trend for the 9 countries with available data indicates that a change of 10% in the population circumcision rate was associated with an increase in autism/ASD prevalence of 2.01/1000 persons (95% CI: 1.68 to 2.34)"

Frisch, Simonsen, 2015
http://jrs.sagepub.com/content/early...65942.abstract (free to download)
"Results: With a total of 4986 ASD cases, our study showed that regardless of cultural background circumcised boys were more likely than intact boys to develop ASD before age 10 years (HR = 1.46; 95% CI: 1.11–1.93). Risk was particularly high for infantile autism before age five years (HR = 2.06; 95% CI: 1.36–3.13). Circumcised boys in non-Muslim families were also more likely to develop hyperkinetic disorder (HR = 1.81; 95% CI: 1.11–2.96). Associations with asthma were consistently inconspicuous (HR = 0.96; 95% CI: 0.84–1.10)."

**Guest** · 08-06-2016, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by ml66uk View Post

No-one's saying that circumcision is the one and only cause of autism (there are intact males and females who are autistic, so it clearly isn't), but...
Two peer-reviewed studies, using different methods and postulating different mechanisms (with several references) have been published in top journals, showing strong correlations between infant male circ and autism/ASD, so it's wrong to dismiss a causal relationship out of hand.

The most likely explanation is an indirect causal relationship due to neonatal exposure to acetaminophen (aka Tylenol, Paracetamol, Panadol), but that's far from clear. If any other elective intervention showed such significant correlations though, it would already have been abandoned as a precautionary measure.

Bauer, Kriebel, 2013

Prenatal and perinatal analgesic exposure and autism: an ecological link - PubMed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698

This ecological analysis identified country-level correlations between indicators of prenatal and perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. State level correlation was also identified for the indicator of perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. Like all ecological analyses, these data ca …

Prenatal and perinatal analgesic exposure and autism: an ecological link - Environmental Health

http://www.ehjournal.net/content/12/1/41

Background Autism and Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental disorders. Susceptibility is believed to be the interaction of genetic heritability and environmental factors. The synchronous rises in autism/ASD prevalence and paracetamol (acetaminophen) use, as well as biologic plausibility have led to the hypothesis that paracetamol exposure may increase autism/ASD risk. Methods To explore the relationship of antenatal paracetamol exposure to ASD, population weighted average autism prevalence rates and paracetamol usage rates were compared. To explore the relationship of early neonatal paracetamol exposure to autism/ASD, population weighted average male autism prevalence rates for all available countries and U.S. states were compared to male circumcision rates – a procedure for which paracetamol has been widely prescribed since the mid-1990s. Prevalence studies were extracted from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Summary of Autism/ASD Prevalence Studies database. Maternal paracetamol usage and circumcision rates were identified by searches on Pub Med. Results Using all available country-level data (n = 8) for the period 1984 to 2005, prenatal use of paracetamol was correlated with autism/ASD prevalence (r = 0.80). For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n = 9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r = 0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S. The country-level correlation between autism/ASD prevalence in males and paracetamol was considerably weaker before 1995 when the drug became widely used during circumcision. Conclusions This ecological analysis identified country-level correlations between indicators of prenatal and perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. State level correlation was also identified for the indicator of perinatal paracetamol exposure and autism/ASD. Like all ecological analyses, these data cannot provide strong evidence of causality. However, biologic plausibility is provided by a growing body of experimental and clinical evidence linking paracetamol metabolism to pathways shown to be important in autism and related developmental abnormalities. Taken together, these ecological findings and mechanistic evidence suggest the need for formal study of the role of paracetamol in autism.

"For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n = 9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country's circumcision rate (r = 0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S."

"A strong correlation (r = 0.98) was found in the country-level data between circumcision and autism spectrum disorder prevalence rates for boys born after 1995 (when circumcision guidelines began recommending analgesics). The slope of this trend for the 9 countries with available data indicates that a change of 10% in the population circumcision rate was associated with an increase in autism/ASD prevalence of 2.01/1000 persons (95% CI: 1.68 to 2.34)"

Frisch, Simonsen, 2015
http://jrs.sagepub.com/content/early...65942.abstract (free to download)
"Results: With a total of 4986 ASD cases, our study showed that regardless of cultural background circumcised boys were more likely than intact boys to develop ASD before age 10 years (HR = 1.46; 95% CI: 1.11–1.93). Risk was particularly high for infantile autism before age five years (HR = 2.06; 95% CI: 1.36–3.13). Circumcised boys in non-Muslim families were also more likely to develop hyperkinetic disorder (HR = 1.81; 95% CI: 1.11–2.96). Associations with asthma were consistently inconspicuous (HR = 0.96; 95% CI: 0.84–1.10)."

You've made this easy.

1.You contradict yourself (by implication) in your first paragraph. You sound educated enough to realize this.

2. Look up the word "correlation", and contrast that with "cause". And...........as above (or I hope you are).

My point about autism NOT being an intactivist issue, when "clearly" (your word) nobody knows that circ plays a part (as you admit), still stands. That isn't a hill you'd want to die on, friend (because you will, as you have here, with any person in the know), nor should any sympathetic clinician, for that matter, who would certainly know better than to even mention it. There are simply too many known facts; clearly established facts, to use in a anti-circ debate. Don't let zeal (or an unfamiliarity with statistics vs scientific method (ie "proof" or "cause")) lead you off track.

**RighteousMartyr** · 08-09-2016, 11:07 AM

oh a new page im starting to turn up heat on facebook to not marginalize and discriminate against us?

Facebook: END discrimination against Intactivists!! | Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1407357332613258/

Got told I should try making a petition instead but... Id probaly be best off finding others to help design it.

**In_Correct** · 08-17-2016, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by RighteousMartyr View Post

Is their something Im missing that would make this post at all offensive?

I have a 24 hour ban right now...

I am not surprised. "Facebook Community Standards" are extremely strict, biased, unfair. It is not worth using Facebook. Unfortunately Facebook exists for Rich People to force their opinions onto Society. Facebook wants to expand its company into Internet Service Provider, which will most likely only offer access to Facebook. The Internet is a double edged sword and Facebook is never going to go anywhere. Perhaps people will not sign up for it, if there is any freedom to choose not to sign up for it.

**RighteousMartyr** · 08-17-2016, 11:13 AM

Mutilation watch stayed up for a while

**RighteousMartyr** · 10-27-2017, 01:14 PM

Another day, another ban

Heres the post I made that got me banned for 3 days.

Dont Forget, early circumcision campaigns Targeted blacks to keep black men from raping white women, and because they couldnt be taught hygiene

**RighteousMartyr** · 10-27-2017, 07:57 PM

Most of the readers understood it was racist BS I'd AGREE 100% it is.

But Brother K was doing a l ive stream so we were all typing pretty rapidly.

He was talking with some Blacks I pointed that out, as its worth pointing that bullshiot out to them.

Just like "Drapetomania" is worth pointing out to accusations of insanity, or obsession.

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