How Homophobia and Transphobia meet Intactivism

[Hundred Percent]

I live in an area that has a lot of homophobes and transphobes, and they're organized into politically powerful groups.

Lately I've had a hunch that if sex feels better for intact people, men would be more excited to remain men and women would be more excited to remain women, and men and women would be more interested in having sex with each other than with people of the same sex.

Are there studies and stats to back up this guess in countries where everyone is left intact, or is my guess wildly off? If I'm right, I wonder if the homophobic and transphobic groups in the area would be receptive to intactivism and maybe even foreskin restoration.

[admin]

if sex feels better for intact people, men would be more excited to remain men and women would be more excited to remain women

I'm not trans but I think a trans advocate would say that nobody is choosing to become another gender, but rather that they always were that other gender.

men and women would be more interested in having sex with each other than with people of the same sex.

Plenty of intact men are having sex with other intact men. And plenty of women in cultures where circumcision is exceedingly rare prefer the company of other women.

I wonder if the homophobic and transphobic groups in the area would be receptive to intactivism and maybe even foreskin restoration.

I should hope we can get our message out broadly enough without relying on the help of those whose reputation is not for fair-mindedness or good-heartedness.

There can be no mistake that we see human genitals evolved to let male and female forms interact in an optimal way, and that mutilation disrupts that perfect functional match. But also part of human evolution is the occurrence of some healthy productive specimens who don't match the most common behavior or form. As transphobes seem to be making the case for 100% conformity and for elders having the right to override the reasoned health care decisions of young people, it's hard to imagine most of them going to bat for the rights of minors to not have their parents' wishes carved into their bodies.

Some of the passed and proposed anti-trans-care laws would have the effect of outlawing male and intersex forced genital cutting, if not for the fact that the legislators usually add specific carve-outs for such depraved interventions to remain as a parent's choice to make.

[Hundred Percent]

Thanks for the info and advice. I'll take it to heart. I asked this pretty naive question because I haven't interacted with them much. I see them around town and the signs they wear make them look scary but I quietly wonder about surprise or Hail Mary opportunities.

[SylLec]

There are times when it is necessary to demonstrate by the absurd. Let me explain!

Let us take the current context of young people over the past twenty years. In my part of the country in Canada, these young people are no longer automatically circumcised at a young age. The acceptance and recognition of rights for the gay movement has greatly increased in several countries, in particular, gay marriage and a redefinition of the family at the legislative level making it possible for the adoption of children by a gay couple. Besides, me and my husband are married and have adopted three children. Both are recognized fathers by the state.

When I think about it, homosexuality was still criminalized in my country when I was born in 1966. In fact, it was decriminalized in 1969 by the father of our current Prime Minister.

Where am I going with this?

This is the context: a lot of things have changed. Also, I have never heard so much about transgender, transexuality, binarity and cisgender people than now. So much so that being gay has become very ordinary. I feel like a dinosaur.

And yet, all these young people born since the year 2000 are not or should not be circumcised. There is a certain social movement whereas there is less practiced circumcision.

So, no, I don't think being circumcised made me gay. I don't see a cause and effect here. Absolutely not. That's who I am and I don't blame it on anything.

[Frizzen]

Well, we DO know that with infant genital mutilation, there are immediate and permanent changes to the brain.

http://www.drmomma.org/2009/10/mri-s...ly-altered.htm - graphic - mutilation -

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7702013/ - research paper

https://intaction.org/circumcisions-...ogical-damage/ - overview

"...any attempt to study the adverse effects of circumcision was strictly prohibited by the ethical regulations in Canada"

I believe i had read about some Hormonal studies that had some really profound changes on participants, and what they liked. I'm not going to cite, since that seems out of your scope and detail. Also i'm still not sure what angle you're coming from.

I know that long before i found out about actually being mutilated, it had already made me know that something is missing / feel trapped in this body. It's not the same magnitude of body dysmorphia , but its there.

HundredPercent, so did you Choose your primary sexuality, or just go along with whatever felt right to you?
(i just feel like stirring the pot...)

There are many people in the restoring community that are: gay, trans, bi, intersex, non-binary, other... perhaps some will consider your question as just being curious and might be willing to share more of their experiences?

[tuguser]

Frizzen,

Thank you for posting those links. I can’t wait to read them all. I don’t know whether circumcision can alter someone’s psyche, but I wouldn’t bet against it. I think some people are innately born with certain pre dispositions, however, I am unaware of any in depth study showing or hypothesizing one way or another.
In the book ‘Sex as it was intended’, there was a passage alluding to the possibility of correlation between RIC and America’s 50% divorce rate among heterosexual marriages vs a much lower rate of 20 or 30% in much of Western Europe. That percentage rate might’ve been much much even less than quoted. This supposition is based on the possible correlation of dissatisfied females in marriages to circumcised men, engaging in circumcised sex vs. more sexually satisfied females in Europe largely engaging in natural sex. That chapter was drawing a connection with the documented dissatisfaction amongst American women with the poor performance of circumcised sex when compared on an equal footing with natural sex. (with natural/intact partners)

[Hundred Percent]

HundredPercent, so did you Choose your primary sexuality, or just go along with whatever felt right to you?
(i just feel like stirring the pot...)

There are many people in the restoring community that are: gay, trans, bi, intersex, non-binary, other... perhaps some will consider your question as just being curious and might be willing to share more of their experiences?

I've always felt I'm a straight man.

[Lightbringuer]

I live in an area that has a lot of homophobes and transphobes, and they're organized into politically powerful groups.

Lately I've had a hunch that if sex feels better for intact people, men would be more excited to remain men and women would be more excited to remain women, and men and women would be more interested in having sex with each other than with people of the same sex.

Are there studies and stats to back up this guess in countries where everyone is left intact, or is my guess wildly off? If I'm right, I wonder if the homophobic and transphobic groups in the area would be receptive to intactivism and maybe even foreskin restoration.

As a Brazilian who never met a cut guy before (here just ~2% of people are cut) I say this is kinda flawed way of thinking for homophobes and transphobes, here we have more or less the same percentage of LGBTQR+ people per hetero people, and Brazil is the biggest country that fetishize trans people according to pornhub yearly data (as well as the one who murder more, oh the hypocrisy).

So I don't think that the presence of the foreskin in large portions of the population affect in any relevant way those interactions between people.

[SylLec]

The studies mentioned above make no connection to the issue raised. At best, it assumes that it negatively affects boys. Here, no one is surprised. Thus, the assumption that sexual orientation would be impacted remains questionable.