What to do when Our John Brown comes.

[RighteousMartyr]

We all know hes coming... We allready have our Harriet Tubmans,Like Heather Hirominus, and Our Frederick Douglases. how long till we get our John Browns.

How will Our movement React when they come? We need to be ready I think.

[Guest]

We all know hes coming... We allready have our Harriet Tubmans,Like Heather Hirominus, and Our Frederick Douglases. how long till we get our John Browns.

How will Our movement React when they come? We need to be ready I think.

What a crock. So I have to ask (against my better judgement): what's with the random capitalization? Drama?

Are you seriously promoting "armed insurrection" in the intactivist movement? If you are, then you sure as hell don't represent me or any other intelligent and caring member of the movement, or the spirit of the movement, for that matter.

I see even the suggestion of implied violence as the same old one-dimensional, jihad-like forum drama coming from a self described "martyr" (and the threat implied in that), hovering over fantasized violence. Intactivism is better, and much more important than that; it takes far more skill, and follows a far different path.

Sadly, and of course dangerously, anger on the other side of the screen is the only thing that some people have.

So my vote's for Bistro, not this section.

[RighteousMartyr]

By how will we react I mean, When our John Brown comes, we'll be bombarded with News interviews, and some amateur "Interviews" by PPCs trying for a "Gotcha!" moment Trying to trap us into making an unfortunate statement.

I do not PROMOTE such a thing, I simply think its a likely eventuality.

Note that any case where an intactivist goes completely mad and decides to kill, or to do something like in the short stort "Cut away" that amazon removed for being too incendiary.

[Guest]

By how will we react I mean, When our John Brown comes, we'll be bombarded with News interviews, and some amateur "Interviews" by PPCs trying for a "Gotcha!" moment Trying to trap us into making an unfortunate statement.

I do not PROMOTE such a thing, I simply think its a likely eventuality.

Note that any case where an intactivist goes completely mad and decides to kill, or to do something like in the short stort "Cut away" that amazon removed for being too incendiary.

You should face it: if you're for real, then everything you've written here defines the term paranoid fantasy; paranoia, with the implication of approval for violence. I wonder if you realize that.

Again, what you've written has nothing to do with the true intactivist movement. A movement for social awareness has to work for and by a set of positive principles, not against individuals, and particularly not assume inevitable violence against individuals. In fact, with your assumption of the "inevitable" you're already doing exactly what you think that "enemy" will do: cast the movement in a negative light. I'm starting to think you don't get that.

Being an enemy, is being EVERYBODY'S enemy; every individual, whatever position they take on this issue; particularly if you're in the streets, and not where the real issue has to be, and slowly is, being addressed.

I don't think you belong in this section.

[admin]

I think the closest thing would be someone who manages to barge into a neonatal suite with a "citizens arrest" mentality, physically stopping the mutilation of a child who is without a diagnosis or properly informed consent (of the patient). Such a person would do some serious time in the joint.

[parsecskin]

I think what he's referring to is some deranged individual going on a vigilante killing spree taking out doctors who continue to practice this travesty of basic human rights. You know, an individual so distraught over learning the truth about what was done to him and how it fucked up his life. "The Foreskin Avenger". These people do exist. Bringing it to fruition is another thing all together. Quite frankly I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Probably has and been covered up and not reported by the press.

[Guest]

I think the closest thing would be someone who manages to barge into a neonatal suite with a "citizens arrest" mentality, physically stopping the mutilation of a child who is without a diagnosis or properly informed consent (of the patient). Such a person would do some serious time in the joint.

Let's hope that would be the extent of it, but better yet, let's hope he doesn't make it through the door. Even if someone does, this could put the very individuals who need protecting at increased risk. Jail time, and the ID follow-up, not to mention a 5150, would be deserved.

But that isn't what the would-be martyr is talking about, he knows it, and I know it. I can hear it. He has a hard-on for something angrier, more violent. He is that individual, in his mind at this point in time. He just wanted strokes, for perceived permission.

That isn't intactivism. Violence is counter to getting anything real and beneficial happening, and only an indication of personal dysfunction. In fact, it's an indication of how little he, and anyone who thinks like him, understands the issue of RIC. Go out and make a noise, yell in the street, fine. Paint your crotch red, fine (you know, the use of painted overalls sends it's own message, guys. Just sayin', and if you think it's just me, you'd be wrong. It has been pointed out).

But all that has extremely little to no effect on the actual practice, in the real world. Certainly no direct effect, or even much of an indirect effect. But martyrs, they can only jerk off to what they see as "direct"; only thing that gets 'em off.

I'll tell you what, if this is the failed "intactivist" stance on this forum, here's your chance to get real and state it, 'cause I'd be out if that's the case, leave the jerkoffs and the crazies to their own fetid little tank. Or, I guess you can be silent, when saying something actually means something.

[RighteousMartyr]

I think what he's referring to is some deranged individual going on a vigilante killing spree taking out doctors who continue to practice this travesty of basic human rights. You know, an individual so distraught over learning the truth about what was done to him and how it fucked up his life. "The Foreskin Avenger". These people do exist. Bringing it to fruition is another thing all together. Quite frankly I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Probably has and been covered up and not reported by the press.

Because they would fear it either spawning imitators, or causing parents to think about just why this practice created such outrage.

[Guest]

Because they would fear it either spawning imitators, or causing parents to think about just why this practice created such outrage.

See what I mean? "Fear". He's advocating it, as well as the violence that causes it, only now it's "outrage", not a violent crime. You can hear the parenthetical "righteous" (his word, remember?) waiting to be pushed up against the word "outrage".

And it seems PARENTS are a possible target now.

You can be a sit-back-and-watch pussy, or a stand-up-and-speak individual who's unswayed by agenda, whatever color your crotch is.

[RighteousMartyr]

no , it was merely a educated guess asking for Clarification?


I said I do not advocate anyone to do such a thing nor will I do so myself.

I do think our movement needs to be prepared for such a thing to happen to be braced for the fallout.

No one ever went broke by betting on mankinds capacity for Violence.

As for my actual question how we'd handle the media harassment over such a thing?

[Guest]

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[RighteousMartyr]

Ive reported you to the mods for harassing me.

[Guest]

Ive reported you to the mods for harassing me.

Harass you? I'm just telling what I see when you write. It's a forum.

My more recent (and most salient) replies been deleted, so that should satisfy you. But I've decided to stay in this thread and any others you post. Gonna stay dead up your ass every time. I'll probably get timed-out, or run off the forum at some point, but that's the breaks (as they used to say) for standing up to the insanity. Hell, it's almost time to didi anyhow.

Consider this Mr Martyr (and anyone else with something to lose): any internet site with posted verbiage which includes the words "righteous martyr", and (my) "jihadi-like", with the word "violence" in it, gets automatically filtered by a certain agency in this country. On the very off chance they decide to follow up, rather than just move on from two pissants waving their digital antennae at each other, then I can stand in the light.

Can you?

[RighteousMartyr]

Yes I can.

My Nick was chosen in reference to the Fact that intactivists are martyrs metaphoricly speaking, because we do not accept a lie that may bring us more happiness in life, opting instead for a bitter truth.

does that even make sense?

[Guest]

On second thought, I'm out of this thread. Enough of my replies are still here, so any reader can get the gist of the thing:

Tacit violent fantasy: bad

A clear statement that a violent fantasy (and actual violence of any kind) has no part in intactivism: good.