Foregens Documentary

[Mitchell7]

Why do they continue to push this thing? Beyond one of the main pictures they are using to advertise it being absolutely apalling, it is reinforcing the idea that the forced partial genital amputations on minors is a ridiculous subject to be joked about without any of the very serious and disgusting harm associated with it. Secondly, it demonstrates to any potential donors or investors that this is not a serious subject and that Foregen is not a serious organization worth investing in. I am aware that there are individuals here with ties to Foregen so i would very much like to use this post to encourage them abandon the project and get back on track towards their real objectives.

[Guest]

It would be helpful if you provide a link. But if you are talking about the "Pigs In A Blanket" video (or whatever the title was), then consider the following statement which is copied directly from Foregen's website: "Foregen is not an activist organization; we have no legislative or political agenda, nor any desire to engage in the conversation that surrounds the topic of circumcision" and contrast that with the statements from the Foregen rep in that video, and the ostensible purpose of that video. Inappropriate humor aside, Foregen apparently can't remember what their mission is. Makes you wonder about the word "professional" doesn't it .... (made me wonder from day 1, lo these many years since).

[Mitchell7]

That was the documentary i was referring too and this was the picture https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...83300011693808

[parsecskin]

Unfortunately, Foregen is a fucking joke. their heart is in the right place, but the company is run like a high school business project and they don't have the proper funding they need to get it done. The fact that they are not very forthcoming with progress updates and spreading awareness only further exacerbates the problem. Maybe someday they will get their shit together.

[mjwise]

I have to agree. The pitch looked silly. I also think a viable regenerated foreskin is more years and more dollars away than they would have you think.

[Guest]

I have to agree. The pitch looked silly. I also think a viable regenerated foreskin is more years and more dollars away than they would have you think.

Absolutely, and that's only if they rejoin the scientific community. When they made the statement that they separated from mainstream science (you have to assume they were actually in communication with some unspecified scientific community. Otherwise they are a money collecting group only) I had to laugh. To anyone who's followed the thus-far, very tentative attempts at tissue regeneration, all of it done by the big guys in laboratory experimentation, NOT the clinical setting as some clueless people on forums (and websites) would have you think, then you'd realize how ridiculous that statement is.

For contrast, here it it from one of the big guys; listen to it carefully and you'll realize that words like "conceptual" and "future" are used, and a realistic view of what has to happen, ie "regulatory" issues, and that's when the as-yet science has been approached:

http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment...-living-cells/

(I used the 3D printer aspect of this whole issue because the clueless try to end-run reality with the 3D concept).

[Mitchell7]

Ex vivo regeneration is never going to work for the foreskin. In vivo is going to be the only way to get the full feeling and function.

Foregen has been around for years now. It is time for them to get straight to business with the only process that could realistically work anytime. Find a group of people who are willing to personally and legally take the opportunity of being a part of a trial of applying extra cellular matrix to the amputated portions of their sexual organs im an attempt to regrow them. This is all Foregen needs to do and the only thing they should focus on. If it fails than any other solution is going to be years or decades away. They have been screwing around since 2009 and it is time for them to get straight to the point.

[Guest]

Well that's the issue, it won't be Foregen who does it, never directly, although they make it sound like it will be them. Foregen isn't a scientific research group, they're a money collecting ... whatever you want to call it ... who, so they say, will commission the research, by who knows who, or where, or when, especially if they've never been in communication with mainstream scientific research. Somebody gonna do it in a garage somewhere? If big guns like Wake Forrest aren't anywhere near human trials then you know some unspecified ad hoc group of rogue scientists (assuming they exist) can't be anywhere near human trials.

The primary point? There isn't anything to try. Wake Forrest is at least generally forthcoming about what is needed and where experimental research is currently. Of course it's simple for them to do that, they're actually telling the truth.

The other way to look at this is this: when it's time for the big guns to approach the regulatory agencies, they will have done their research with those constraints in mind, and they will have some authority with the agencies. So what will that website, who never mentions the reality of passing regulations, do? Who will recognize them?

[Mitchell7]

There is a doctor who is going to attempt a head transplant in China next year. So working through regulations in regards to the foreskin is should be significantly easier than that.

[Guest]

There is a doctor who is going to attempt a head transplant in China next year. So working through regulations in regards to the foreskin is should be significantly easier than that.

Aside from that bogus "head transplant", are you familiar with the meaning of a straw man argument? And, I suppose it's easy to characterize "regulations" as "easy" if you don't know what's involved. I'd encourage you to go online and read a little about what is involved; the time it takes in years, and the rigorous standards that have to be met all along the process.

And I have to say........... what do you know, first this thread, and now this, in the safe haven subsection: http://foreskinrestoration.vbulletin...d-your-support

Looks and sounds like somebody's on the defensive.

[Mitchell7]

China or other countries with much more relaxed standards would be the ideal place for a clinical like the one i suggested.

[Plush1992]

You all do realize that we live in a Entertainment driven society, yes? A serious documentary like you guys want wont get any views nor publicity. Just look at politics in general in this nation, nobody and I mean nobody on any of the major news networks actually talk about the issues, even in the debates they all just dance around the questions. Point is nobody is going to take a serious documentary about circumcision seriously. No one wants to watch a bunch of melancholy depressed individuals angrily talk about circumcision. People want to be entertained first, then educated second in this society, sorry to point that out.

Im not happy about how our society is either.

[Plush1992]

There is a doctor who is going to attempt a head transplant in China next year. So working through regulations in regards to the foreskin is should be significantly easier than that.

He will probably fail as-well. Who is going to be all like "Well they had a successful foreskin transplant in China, in a dirty completely un-regulated environment by a quack doctor, so now im going to go get that surgery done because it worked over there" No one. Same concept as getting plastic surgery done in Mexico, only idiots do that.

We do have wayyy to much regulation over here but if Foregen ever finds themselves in China doing experiments, I highly doubt anyone will ever take them seriously here in the United States.

[Plush1992]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/p...-documentary#/ Heres the link to donate to the documentary if anyones interested. 10 days left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVfjUE3QuU Here is a link to HUFO a video that is serious about circumcision, something I feel you all will appreciate. It was funded by the donators of Foregen and is an artificial, accurate, artistic rendition of the human foreskin created by contemporary artist Vincenzo Aiello. This rendition shows that the human foreskin is more than just a "flap of skin".

[Mitchell7]

Pfizer or Merck dont engage in comedy or enertainment to sell their products. There is no institution involved in regenerative medicine that i am aware of that engages in comedic documentaries to get funding for their projects, because no one would take them seriously enough to fund or invest in their products. Foregen was at the world stem cell meeting in December. They must be taken seriously by the investors and scientists in order for these individuals and companies to consider investing their time and money in Foregen.

Secondly, China is filled with advanced and state of the art medical facilities,scientists and doctors and there are plenty of places Foregen could go to conduct this trial with the same or better standards as those in the west without the added regulation hindering their efforts.