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    Hey everyone . I restored for around a month, which was maybe a year ago. I saw progress and I still can see that my skin covers most of the corona, which feels nice. Aside from being annoyed at wearing the device every day, I can remember one argument that kind of scared me out of restoring. I'm sure most of you have heard of ForeGen and the fantastic research they're doing. My concern was that if they did finally figure out a way to truly grow a prepuce back, would they be able to do that to already restored people (Meaning those who stretched out their skin)? It scares me to think that because of restoring I would miss out on getting the real thing. I would like to start back restoring but I've still got this nagging fear, even if it is irrational. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable on the research. Would I have to get circumcised again and 'then' restored? I know the time when they'll actually be able to do this is far away, but it still concerns me. Does anyone know the answer?

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    IF Foregen ever gets their shit together and perfects this , it would only be logical that no matter how much or little skin a potential candidate has, that an area of skin starting right below the corona all the way around and down to below the scar line would have to be completely removed to make room for the seamless lab grown foreskin to be installed cleanly. Given Foregen's lack of communication of their progress and their overall shitty management, I wouldn't hold my breath for these guys. Just keep restoring. If they actually perfect this procedure, go for it!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Info

      Foregen is doing "fantastic research"? We have "stretched out skin"? Is there "someone knowledgeable on the research" here? Or anywhere, about what they are doing? Including Foregen?

      I do, however, know the answer: 42.
      @Info

      Consider this an official warning. This kind of engagement with members is neither welcome, nor will it be tolerated. While this is the first time I've personally reached out to you, it is not the first time I've seriously considered doing so. Thus I would not suggest testing the leniency and "give" of this warning.

      If you continue to needlessly deride and generally bully others here I can assure you it will not be the users posting reasonable questions in the appropriate board who will be vacating this space.

      If you cannot answer the question in a constructive, or helpful manner, do not respond. Next time you choose to ignore this simple guideline, we will be taking more definitive action than this.

      -CC

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      • #4
        Ok...........How's this: I'm with parsec, Foregen has no evidence of "fantastic research". If the OP has evidence of this (he brought it up) then it would be nice to describe what it is. Problem is, the OP then says he wants information about this fantastic research, so this would seem to be a contradiction. Or fuzzy logic. Or ....who knows. Can you explain it?

        We don't, and no one else, "stretches skin out", we grow additional skin. This, by the way, is much better than Foregen has apparently done so far, so yay us. I'm sure you don't want the tired myth of "stretching" to go on and on. But I'll tone that down for everybody:

        OP, please explain what you meant, and keep the following in mind:

        Don't paint yourself into a corner and then feel fear of being trapped, and ...... much more importantly, if something, ie Forgen's "research", and better yet, so-called "foreskin regeneration", doesn't exist (and it certainly does not), then you don't have to be afraid of it. Tug, if you want to. There: that's actually good advice and it answers the question.

        But all that aside, I seem to be the only member here who actually links to what the field of regenerative research has done. I seem to be the only member who can look at what's in front of him and decipher it in the context of science. That's because I have a background in science and analysis. So no surprise there. Plus I have a parallel background in the requirements, and the hoops that have to jumped through when somebody actually does come up with a technique or product, and a view of how medicine will look at it. Now that is hard to find on the internet, let alone on a forum like this. And I know where to look for this technique or product when it appears to the scientific community. Can't beat it.

        So, needless to say, when someone posts "science" in an attempt to yet again talk about one of the number of quasi fetishes (creams and lotions, and now 'essential oils') that inevitably show up on foreskin restoration forums, I point this out as well. Was this the "bullying" you talk about? After all, you weren't clear about it. Why does discussion specific to the claimed topic become "bullying" and derision for you. Why do you want nonsense, and not the pointing out that the emperor is naked? I'm sure, unlike some on the old forum, you don't want blind clinging to fantasy; you want truth, and real science when an oblique reference to science is used as a cover for something else.

        But, that aside as well, here's the issue between you and I: You aren't up to answering these questions with anything like specificity, so I do. If you would, I wouldn't. Otherwise OPs get nothing when this sort of topic is raised.

        So do what you want. That's your work, not mine.

        I'm bound to get an email from Disty now!


        Edit: Ha! I did get a note from Distalero! I actually use the same laptop he used at work. My day is made lol. (Well, I also got a no-consequence PM, neither here nor there, just name calling as usual). He says: "Don't call me 'Disty' which made me laugh, and he says that "info will always get in the way of the crap du jour so it'll never be welcome on that forum, so you have a decision to make", and then he says some stuff not so flattering to several persons. But I get his point, I do have a decision to make. I checked and he is a signed-up member here, seems he did that so the name won't be misused. Smart, not sure I woulda thought of that. I told him "Hi!" from members here and he said something not so flattering about my parentage haha.
        Last edited by Info; 04-06-2016, 07:59 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by StemCellRestoration View Post
          Hey everyone . I restored for around a month, which was maybe a year ago. I saw progress and I still can see that my skin covers most of the corona, which feels nice. Aside from being annoyed at wearing the device every day, I can remember one argument that kind of scared me out of restoring. I'm sure most of you have heard of ForeGen and the fantastic research they're doing. My concern was that if they did finally figure out a way to truly grow a prepuce back, would they be able to do that to already restored people (Meaning those who stretched out their skin)? It scares me to think that because of restoring I would miss out on getting the real thing. I would like to start back restoring but I've still got this nagging fear, even if it is irrational. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable on the research. Would I have to get circumcised again and 'then' restored? I know the time when they'll actually be able to do this is far away, but it still concerns me. Does anyone know the answer?
          I don't think anyone really knows the answer, except that commercially available regeneration is probably more years and many more dollars away than we would all hope. Really, the choice at this point is to restore with proven techniques or not restore at all. There is nothing from Foregen right now. The next few years will pass whether or not you decide to restore. I am choosing to spend those years restoring, and I will be finished and enjoying the benefits long before a single human foreskin is regrown.
          Visit my restoration progress journal.

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          • #6
            Here is one way you could look at it. If you restore now, and foragen never comes on line, then you will have the maximum number of years to enjoy better sexual feeling and function. If foragen does come on line, you won't have lost anything, and whatever foragen requires will still need to be done, whether you have a restored foreskin or not.

            If you wait, you may be waiting a long time, a number of years, just in terms of running trials to prove it works and yields results at a minimum as good as what we can do with restoration now. During the waiting period, you will not enjoy the improved sexual feelings and functioning. And, if it does not come on line, you will have waited with no improvement.

            You need to consider how much you believe it will pan out, in what time frame you have confidence that this will happen, your risk tolerance, and how valuable those years of better sex are for you. For me, I am not waiting, nor do I see any problem with currently enjoying dramatically better sex, then being re-circumcised for a foragen grown skin that will be even better and will presumable take a lot less time and effort to complete than our current techniques.

            Regards

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Info View Post
              Ok...........How's this:

              ...

              Was this the "bullying" you talk about? After all, you weren't clear about it. Why does discussion specific to the claimed topic become "bullying" and derision for you. Why do you want nonsense, and not the pointing out that the emperor is naked?.
              Considering you crafted a response that was able to challenge the OP's erroneous notions, while simultaneously shelving the condescension you previous laid as a foundation for your post, I feel it's really quite unnecessary to explain what constitutes "bullying" and "derision". You obviously understand it quite clearly, as you demonstrated the ability to comment without it in very short order. No need to hide behind noble intents and "pursuit-of-truth" high grounds. It makes no difference in this context.

              There really is nothing further to be said. You can take whatever stance you'd like in terms of what you believe my motivations to be. As you've said, you will make your choice and us ours.

              Now that you've shown your capability, I trust you will continue to inform and correct others in a manner not designed to be purposefully biting.

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              • #8
                I'm sorry. I only meant that the potential of regenerative medicine and the pursuit of it were fantastic to me. I know they haven't made much progress, but I still think it's really cool. I also apologize for incorrectly saying we were "stretching" the skin. You're right. It is inducing mitosis to grow new cells. I've actually started back now, and hope to see more progress Thanks everyone. Sometimes you're pretty sure of something but you need a forum to express it to others for some second opinions.

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                • #9
                  I hope I'm wrong but I don't see thing happening in my lifetime, though I would be happy to be proved wrong on that. There just isn't enough mainstream interest in foreskin restoration, but with regenerative medicine and talk to regenerating a penis for a soldier who knows what's next.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by StemCellRestoration View Post
                    Hey everyone . I restored for around a month, which was maybe a year ago. I saw progress and I still can see that my skin covers most of the corona, which feels nice. Aside from being annoyed at wearing the device every day, I can remember one argument that kind of scared me out of restoring. I'm sure most of you have heard of ForeGen and the fantastic research they're doing. My concern was that if they did finally figure out a way to truly grow a prepuce back, would they be able to do that to already restored people (Meaning those who stretched out their skin)? It scares me to think that because of restoring I would miss out on getting the real thing. I would like to start back restoring but I've still got this nagging fear, even if it is irrational. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable on the research. Would I have to get circumcised again and 'then' restored? I know the time when they'll actually be able to do this is far away, but it still concerns me. Does anyone know the answer?
                    I don't think you should be concerned about this. The reason why is because the amount of foreskin removed varies so much. This type of advancement would be use to dealing with different lengths of foreskin.

                    I have one additional objective thought for you to consider. Relying on regenerative medicine means you are living your life in the future. What's available in the "here and now" are a variety of proven non surgical foreskin restoration methods. It will drastically improve functionality (restoring the gliding motion) and sensitivity.
                    View My Progress Gallery @ https://foreskinrestoration.vbulleti...ooded-progress

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by StemCellRestoration View Post
                      I'm sorry. I only meant that the potential of regenerative medicine and the pursuit of it were fantastic to me. I know they haven't made much progress, but I still think it's really cool. I also apologize for incorrectly saying we were "stretching" the skin. You're right. It is inducing mitosis to grow new cells. I've actually started back now, and hope to see more progress Thanks everyone. Sometimes you're pretty sure of something but you need a forum to express it to others for some second opinions.
                      Well, I should apologize; I was being flippant with your post. You received some good replies here so hopefully you have a better idea of what Foregen seems to promise vs what is real in the here-and-now. Foregen talks a good game, until you look closer at what they actually say and what they leave out, and if you follow the scientific press then you know that what they say just doesn't hang right. So our suggestion here is to go back to tugging if you choose to, do what you can tolerate on a daily basis, and see what happens with your own efforts. Put in the time and you will see real changes, not "promises" in the press. Foregen lives in the press, mostly in their own press, and we live our lives in the day-to-day with the benefits we've gained through tugging.
                      Last edited by Info; 04-09-2016, 05:57 PM.

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                      • #12
                        I'm now restored. Have full reliable realistic flaccid coverage - got using the T-tape method.

                        I'm missing about 2/3 of my frenulum and the frenar band along with the associated nerve endings. That would be my interest in the Foregen process. I'm not clear on how/where Foregen would obtain the stem cells necessary to regenerate those parts for me. I guess that there would be some surgery and resultant scarring following the implantation.

                        Last edited by Tormod; 04-10-2016, 03:02 AM. Reason: Typo
                        Tormod

                        Some of you may have had occasion to run into mathematicians and to wonder therefore how they got that way - Tom Lehrer

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                        • #13
                          Well that's the thing, nobody is clear about anything involved in so-called "foreskin regeneration", least of all Foregen, and they claim to be in the vanguard. Hardly. If all they've done is their claimed stripping of a bull's foreskin for its matrix, then there isn't a plan based on that because there can't be; it's not directly associated with human tissues. They claim to go on to human cadaver foreskin to do the same thing, but apparently that hasn't happened yet. But let's say they do.......then what. What sort of plan do they have that specifically deals with "stem cells"; from harvesting to implantation. The real world, and stem cell research, has nothing to do with what Foregen blithely states is true.

                          For a quick overview of this area I'll add this link. http://www.closerlookatstemcells.org...ell-treatments

                          When I get a chance I'll add to this.

                          Foregen seems to be completely unaware of what is actually possible in the real world currently, not to mention the very real risks and hazards of stem cell research (cell degradation and possible neoplasm formation, also known as cancer. The press has rarely mentioned this, and of course Foregen has never referred to it). None of the real researchers have played with most of this, and certainly nothing has been claimed regarding research into human foreskin experimentation, Human "skin", which is currently an ongoing experiment, not a common reality, is still being worked on. (Some good news, research has gotten closer to being able to match lab grown "skin" with a potential recipient's pigmentation. This issue (one of many) also has never been mentioned by Foregen. I wonder why.....)

                          http://www.eurostemcell.org/resource...nic-stem-cells

                          And.....any foreskin replica (other than that HUFO nonsense) that somebody, somehow, someday comes up with, would be just that, a tissue replica, offered as a surgical addition, with the potential of not being a true and complete organ, similar to those organs that Foregen falsely implies have been regenerated en toto. In other words, it won't be natural, it may not include the same function, so it will essentially be a tissue prosthetic, by definition.

                          On their website (their "home base") they make a leap on paper from hypothetical ground to empty space, and they call that their "plan", so far.

                          Here's something to consider: if it takes 6 to 8 weeks to get stem cells to form human blood cells (cells, not pints : )), how long do you think it would take to form a complex, mega celled, multi layered, multi functioned organ, surgical attachment aside. Does anyone, especially those "it'll be grown in situ" hopefuls, really think that's even possible at all, let alone in "five years" from now? Or twenty to thirty years from now. Or..........ever, if there isn't a perceived market? Money is the least of problems.
                          Last edited by Info; 04-10-2016, 08:13 PM.

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                          • #14
                            As far as I know, there is no proof that anything Foregen or any other company is doing can specifically regenerate foreskin.

                            There have been experiments which have led to "skin" (epidermis) and nerve regeneration using stem cells for burn and wound repair but foreskin is more than "just" skin -- it's actually part of an organ (your penis) and I've seen no proof that an entire organ (or any part thereof) can be regenerated in humans.

                            Frogs maybe but not people.

                            So, I don' t see the point in "waiting" for any developments in this regard. It's all "pie in the sky" and, even if anyone can develop such technology, we will probably all be long dead before it's perfected and approved for use w/people and, even then, will probably cost so much that it will be beyond the ability of anyone but the richest people to pay; elective surgery is never covered by insurance.

                            In the meantime, I think we should all just keep on tugging.

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                            • #15
                              Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen!

                              After studying the subject to restore the foreskin, I came to the following conclusions.

                              1) Growing a prepuce separately and sewing it to a member of the gender of the patient, it is a time consuming process.

                              These include cells of the patient and the sampling and conversion of these cells into stem cells.

                              Furthermore, cultivation of the extracellular matrix (or taking it from the donor).

                              Then, the population of the cell matrix stem cells in the patient, with the differentiation of the functions: the skin, nerves, blood vessels, oil glands.

                              And then, a surgery to a new suturing the foreskin on sexual patient's penis.

                              2) Easier to be a phased approach.

                              The skin of the penis is pulled by Foreskin Restoration KIT within a month.

                              Then, in the patient's skin are introduced stem cells for accelerating a pull skin cell mitosis.

                              3) After the leather hoods, it is pulled back and the inner layer of the new foreskin cause the sebaceous glands grown from stem cells of the patient. This is done by bioprintinga.

                              4) After that, the skin is not stretched, giving time to engraftment of the sebaceous glands.

                              5) Make sure that the oil glands have taken root and are functioning normally again begin pulling the skin with Foreskin Restoration KIT.

                              Thus, it is not necessary to grow the specialized stem cells: for nerves and blood vessels.

                              6) These steps, drawing and implementation of stem cells from the patient, there will be several.
                              As long as pulling the skin does not cover the entire head of the penis.

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