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    Hello Ron. Is there a section regarding NUTRITION? There's a lot of talk about techniques, hours of tugging, and devices...which are all important. But I've found "nutrition" to be an EXTRA important aspect of restoring...as it usually is with almost every bodily function. I've been drinking 1 glass (16oz) of organic green juice daily and eating a lot of fresh organic fruits/vegetables...along with other common wholesome foods. Doing this for a few years now...and since I started restoring again about 9 months ago I've been experiencing steady growth every single week (1 millimeter)---while ONLY TUGGING 2 HOURS / 1 to 2 DAYS PER WEEK.

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    I don't disagree about the nutrition aspect helping things along. The body uses nutrients to replenish, build, and restore itself. Along with regular exercise, proper hydration with water, and a pretty decent diet I sometimes supplement with other vitamins and minerals. For instance I use iron and zinc for the whole blood transport chain, and I will add vitamin E and Biotin as well. Everything plays a part and it all has to be balanced. After the science comes the art...


    Forgot to add the irony...
    Next week I will begin my first juicing. Nothing crazy, one solid meal somewhere during the day on my busiest/workout days. Juice for every other meal. Just this last weekend I began intermittent fasting and it wasn't as bad as people make it seem.
    Last edited by blackazz1981; 04-06-2018, 08:15 PM. Reason: Diet change*
    Listen to your body. Do what works for you. Best of health! Good luck!

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    • #3
      https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...y-organic-food

      https://www.zmescience.com/other/sci...ience02092015/

      https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide/grocery-list#1

      https://food.unl.edu/basic-foods-cup...ge-and-freezer

      https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/nutritionwyska

      http://www.eatright.org/resource/foo...3725b5878.ashx

      https://www.eatrightpro.org/practice...ition-concepts

      http://www.health.gov.au/internet/pu...ly-foods-basic


      Basic nutrition, as a no-brainer adjunct to basic health, gets discussed here from time to time. So a listing of basic nutrition can't hurt. No argument there. Again, it's a no-brainer.

      But sadly, some "special nutrition" goop 'o the week is also promoted here from time to time. Some of it benign, some of it potentially harmful, and none of it ever effective from the standpoint of basic physiology.

      Usually, it's described as "just as important" as cycles of tension (when tension is mentioned at all) (there's another thread trying to do just that), by guys who have either wanted to sell you something, or just "talk" about ... hell, anything. Anything, but the basics of human physiology.


      So in the interests of sane, scientifically proven, beneficial information, it needs to be repeated: NO "SPECIAL" CONSTITUENT, NO TOPICAL CRAP, NO CHEMICAL OR COMBINATION OF CHEMICALS (TOPICAL, INJECTED OR INGESTED), NOT TO MENTION SOME TRENDY DRIED POWDER WHICH WAS ADULTERATED TO THE POINT OF NUTRIENT LOSS (IF SAID CRAP HAD ANY NUTRIENT VALUE TO BEGIN WITH), WILL EVER CAUSE ANY BENEFIT TO TUGGING FOR SKIN EXPANSION. That isn't how increasing mitotic activity works. It simply isn't how this thing works. So if somebody's implying that, then........well, you know.

      Cycles of tension, not magical crap. Cycles of tension, not magical thinking. Internally programmed skin response, not the "control" you think you have over any of this. There is no end-run to the time that this thing takes. All skin response, maintenance or accelerated, is internal, programmed, out of your control. There is no fetish, conceptual or physical, which will end-run so-called restoration. No trendy goop-of-the-week will ever do that. In fact, the implication that it will, is a red flag that somebody doesn't know what they are talking about, and they hope you don't, too. Their ignorance, or agenda, doesn't have to be yours.

      But that basic nutritional list, which you are very likely already choosing from; it can't hurt.
      Last edited by Reality; 04-07-2018, 05:43 PM.

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      • #4
        For nutrition, put emphasis on hydrating yourself through fruit juices that are:

        * fresh (drink the juice within 12 hours)
        * cold-pressed (never heated, not even pasteurized of any kind)
        * ripe fruits (as ripe as possible before going bad)

        Drink as much as 1 gallon total per day. Seriously. There’s no such thing as over-hydration through fruit juices as long as you are able to listen to what your body says about whether or not you want to drink the juice. Follow my progress gallery—I am attributing my rapid improvement to my knowledge and application of hydration.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sorefkin View Post
          Drink as much as 1 gallon total per day. Seriously.
          Considering the high sugar content of most fruit juices, this might actually be a bad idea.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sorefkin View Post
            For nutrition, put emphasis on hydrating yourself through fruit juices that are:

            * fresh (drink the juice within 12 hours)
            * cold-pressed (never heated, not even pasteurized of any kind)
            * ripe fruits (as ripe as possible before going bad)

            Drink as much as 1 gallon total per day. Seriously. There’s no such thing as over-hydration through fruit juices as long as you are able to listen to what your body says about whether or not you want to drink the juice. Follow my progress gallery—I am attributing my rapid improvement to my knowledge and application of hydration.
            Worse than a bad idea: in fact, it's the definition of DEhydration, as any high school science student knows. A bad idea indeed. A high sugar content especially in the quantity you "advise" causes a fluid transfer (primarily water) in order to maintain a normal, hemostatic osmotic balance. What you suggest disrupts normal balance. That is basic human physiology. You can read it anywhere. So ... you can only say what you've said here, and argue, if you are completely unfamiliar with the basics.

            What you are promoting is the OPPOSITE of hydration. You are in contradiction to basic HEALTH. You are promoting dysfunction and organ stress. You need to stop that.

            Every single one of your posts has been like this. I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't done in malice, rather than the usual "hey look at special me" we see here. Either way, they have a negative effect on forum understanding. You have NO idea what you are talking about, not here, not in any other thread. And the sad thing is, you go on chirping away. So I'm speaking out:

            You have no understanding of basic human physiology. You only have the usual social media chatter, arising from the usual misunderstanding, of the usual BS advertising copy. With restoration, you describe impossible "progress" which cannot be true. Are you aware that we've been around for many years? Can you imagine what you sound like after we read your posts? I use the word "chirp" advisedly. Others here have been kind; they've been quiet; they've seen the nonsense come and go. Woody was very kind when he called you out on your "progress" post. Me, I'm blunt:

            You have no credibility regarding restoration. You've been tainting the Progress Galleries with impossible claims. If ever there is a subsection devoted to sincerity, it's the Progress Galleries. Many of the sincere newbies here are aware of that. You don't seem to be. And when it comes to "health" or any "special whatever", do the necessary research if you insist on "advising" anyone here. Some of your "suggestions" above are potentially harmful as well as ludicrous; one is totally random. If you do the the basic research, you'll discover that you DON'T know what you are taking about. Then, if you do the research, bring that research here. Actual, confirmed fact is always welcome. But bullshit? Never.
            Last edited by Reality; 08-27-2018, 08:29 PM.

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            • #7
              I don't think nutrition should have its own subsection of this website because I don't believe that we require (or benefit from) anything outside of normal, healthy nutrition.

              Though from what I've seen, a lot of us here do need to go read up on what constitutes a healthy diet.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mattsprofile View Post
                I don't think nutrition should have its own subsection of this website because I don't believe that we require (or benefit from) anything outside of normal, healthy nutrition.

                Though from what I've seen, a lot of us here do need to go read up on what constitutes a healthy diet.
                I agree. The only real reason that nutrition has been discussed on this site is because of the offensive posts like that above from 'sorefkn', and those other posts in the past which promote ignorant nonsense in the name of "advice".

                "Nutrition" gives this personality type something to claim as a subject they are familiar with, and worse yet, as a subject they have the "inside information" on, when they are clearly ignorant of the basics. Seeing this sort of thing, time after time, sucks. Guys want to hear about actual progress in the Progress Galleries, and actual tips in restoration which come from experience. Nobody wants to hear the same, clueless grandstanding we've read for years now. On the positive side, because of the bogus "advice", we get a sort of left-handed survey on basic nutrition, albeit brief.

                We will never win the war. There will always be more ignorance and "don't care, look at me!" than good information. At least we can return to the point that there is no "special ingredient", chemical, method, blah, blah, which influences restoration. That's the red flag that these guys don't understand; the proof that whoever says this is bogus, and is trying to get you to look at his posts. That's no-content social media in a nutshell, not member support in a real, long but beneficial, progress towards health in all its categories, which we call "restoration".

                From an earlier post:


                https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...y-organic-food

                https://www.zmescience.com/other/sci...ience02092015/

                https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/guide/grocery-list#1

                https://food.unl.edu/basic-foods-cup...ge-and-freezer

                https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/nutritionwyska

                http://www.eatright.org/resource/foo...3725b5878.ashx

                https://www.eatrightpro.org/practice...ition-concepts

                http://www.health.gov.au/internet/pu...ly-foods-basic
                Last edited by Reality; 08-28-2018, 05:48 PM.

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                • #9
                  “High sugar content” — you mean “high fructose content”. Huge difference. “Bad idea”, eh? Then enjoy thinking you understand hydration and enjoy your mediocre, slow progress

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sorefkin View Post
                    “High sugar content” — you mean “high fructose content”. Huge difference. “Bad idea”, eh? Then enjoy thinking you understand hydration and enjoy your mediocre, slow progress
                    No, there isn't a huge difference. For all intents and purposes, fructose IS sugar.

                    There is a stunning amount of inaccurate, incorrect. and just plain fraudulent nutritional advice floating around on the internet. I would recommend against creating a section for it on this site.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sorefkin View Post
                      “High sugar content” — you mean “high fructose content”. Huge difference. “Bad idea”, eh? Then enjoy thinking you understand hydration and enjoy your mediocre, slow progress
                      1. First, read z's post. He's right. Think about it, you don't even have that much understanding of the subject. You somehow directly equate the glucose (fructose, sucrose, et al.) molecule with "hydration". You're absolutely wrong. You've revealed your ignorance again. Remember I observed that you wouldn't know hydration if you were blowing bubbles in it? Your ignorance was obvious then, and it still is. I gave you some information to follow up on. This makes you willfully ignorant.

                      2. Realize that I'm finished, have been for some time, so any malicious hope you are implying about my "slow progress" is wasted. Your comment on "slow", and especially the ludicrous comment on "mediocre" makes you sound like a little boy trying to lash out in a snit while hiding behind the smiley. It also clearly shows us your ignorance of restoration. You've had 3 of us, seasoned vets of restoration, say that to you, in our various ways. Give it up.

                      3. A background in human anatomy and physiology allows me to say that you have no understanding of the subject. You don't have an understanding of "fructose" vs sugar vs anything else about "hydration". Hydration has nothing to do with your false claims regarding your "personal progress", let alone anything to do with skin expansion. Everything you received in reply from some of us has sailed over your head. Human physiology includes all the relevant chemistry involved. I'm sure you don't know why I'm referring to chemistry. Do you think that licensed nutritionists, the educated advisers on "fructose", don't have a background in organic chemistry?

                      4. You are posing when you talk about restoration, and posing when you tout your "special" creams and foodstuffs. You have been a poser, only. You've been called out more than once on this, and you are still posing. I can't tell you to stop but I can state fact: you aren't impressing anyone. This isn't social media. Posing won't get you anywhere here. This isn't about just you. This isn't about lies to impress. This is about all of the sincere members here. You have to have some substance in order to post something acceptable; either sincere questions, or sincere observations, not empty, "look at me", social media chirps that claim something impossible or erroneous. You don't seem to understand this. Look at your quote above: it's your idea of "discussion", of "proof". Instead it's a clueless error joined with a veiled playground insult. That's social media, to a cliche.

                      Please try to be honest. And, absolutely be informed if you try to advise.
                      Last edited by Reality; 08-31-2018, 06:07 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Caveman say: Whole foods good, processed bad. Pure water good, city water bad, too much sugar bad. Plenty sleep good. All you need.

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                        • #13
                          LOL Caveman not drag knuckles. Hit subject on head with club.

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                          • #14
                            Ugh.

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