Worried about nighttime tugging

[pbeni1327]

I want to start tugging at night, but I'm afraid of nocturnal erections putting too much pressure on the erectile tissue. When I strap over the shoulder and get an erection, my penis bends significantly due to the lack of available skin. I'm also slightly afraid of circulation issues while I sleep.

[mjwise]

Nighttime tugging is an advanced technique and you've discovered the reason why: new tuggers tend to lack enough slack skin to do it safely. Significant bending of your penis while wearing the device with an erection means you're not ready to tug at night. I personally don't tug at night at all - just not worth the risks involved to me.

[Nomad]

Like what Mjwise said you gotta have enough slack. So if your really into this try tugging while sleeping over the shoulder then experiment rolling around your bed trying to simulate every kind of worst case scenario that could happen.

I personally tug at night only when I cant tug on the morning. After vigorous testing while being awake and alarm my clock every 2 hours check everything is all right. I say there is "a" risk of tumbling then landing your penis to the bedwould which will give you the ouchies. We all only have one penis so PLEASE do take care of it.

[greg_b]

Why do you think you want to tug at night?

Night time tugging (tugging while asleep) carries significant risk. You can reduce that risk by simulating what will happen, ie get ready for bed, put on your tugging stuff, get in bed and give yourself several good hard erections and roll around, but you cannot eliminate the risk.

I happen to think that tugging at night is most likely less effective over the same time period as tugging while awake. I think this because you will need to set tension so that night time erections are not too much, but that seems to suggest that the only time tension will be as effective as it can be will be during nocturnal erections, a relatively small time during the sleep cycle. Further, you do not know how hard you will get each time you have a nocturnal erection. Not to mention the two issues you already stated.

For me, I have found that the amount of tension is critical to my progress, so nocturnal tugging seems rather uncertain in terms of progress. But there are many successful night time tuggers, so it can work.

Regards

[hardacroposthion]

Tugging at night is possible, I'm still doing, it is safe, but you have to meet certain requirements to do so safely.

First, you have to have the skin for it. Since I've done only manual methods only, I can only speak from that perspective. Once I reached a CI-5, I started testing if I could sleep with o-rings at night, because I wanted to extend my tugging routines while I was asleep. Knowing very well of the possible penile injuries if wearing a retainer improperly, I started to test having erections while wearing a single o-ring, and without stroking. I call this the "erection test".

Every week I tested my erections while wearing a ring. And every time the ring would come off before I was fully hard. I continued doing this test over and over until I noticed that the ring was taking longer and longer to come off. Eventually, the day arrived that I could not get any harder, and my ring clung to the tip of my foreskin for dear life. The week after I tested it again, and I noticed a bit more skin at the tip, and the ring stuck to the prepuce.

Three weeks later I decided I had enough skin to dare to sleep with a ring at night. I have pictures to prove what my morning wood looked like a few days after I started sleeping with an o-ring. Now I'm sleeping with 5 or 6 rings, and can climax while wearing them with relative ease.

Retaining at night extends your tugging routines into the night. The cycle of nocturnal erections through the night tugs your foreskin like you are supposed to tug during the day; on and off. It also expedites your restoration process. Of great importance is to not let your impatience get in the way. If, in your haste to expedite the process, you try to force it before you are ready, then you might get hurt.

But, for as long as you keep your patience, and try it with a single, properly fitted o-ring, then you are OK. If the ring gets off when you get hard, then you are good. The first nocturnal erection will remove it from your penis, and that in itself is an extra tugging session.

[mjwise]

Wearing an o-ring (or another retention device) overnight is not tugging, that's just retaining. While a nocturnal erection might provide some tension with a retainer affixed, it's pretty fleeting. Even so, wearing a retainer overnight before you lack the skin to accommodate an erection while staying covered is unwise. I feel o-rings overnight are unwise regardless, because of the risk that they can roll or be forced back down the shaft of your penis without you noticing.

[hardacroposthion]

Wearing an o-ring (or another retention device) overnight is not tugging, that's just retaining. While a nocturnal erection might provide some tension with a retainer affixed, it's pretty fleeting. Even so, wearing a retainer overnight before you lack the skin to accommodate an erection while staying covered is unwise. I feel o-rings overnight are unwise regardless, because of the risk that they can roll or be forced back down the shaft of your penis without you noticing.

With all due respect, if you look at this retention point from another perspective, when you retain, you are tugging gently, much the same way an expanding disc stretches skin when you put them in your earlobes. It is not a big deal of stretch, but those discs will eventually make the earlobe holes bigger. And like I've said before, and on this we are in total agreement, never wear a retainer at night if don't have the skin. If you want to know if you have the skin, do an erection test with a ring on, and see what happens. Perhaps nocturnal erections are fleeting, but they are still tugging session regardless.

To your last point, that's why I always say to do an erection test with a ring on before you try wearing them at night. You must make sure the ring is the right size for your penis before you start using it on a regular basis. If you try to have an erection while wearing an o-ring, and your glans want so go through the ring, then the rings is WAY too big, and it has to go. Only wear an o-ring where it easily comes off your penis when you have an erection. You have to be judicious before trying new things.

I've been wearing o-rings 24/7 for over 2 years now. At first I started sleeping with one, after doing my erection test multiple times. Once it held on to the tip of my foreskin, it never left the spot, unless I had to pee or have sex. Now I sleep with 6 rings, and they seldom wake me up at night when I get hard. I can even climax with them on. Being judicious while practicing new stuff with your body is key.

[Guest]

Wearing an o-ring (or another retention device) overnight is not tugging, that's just retaining. While a nocturnal erection might provide some tension with a retainer affixed, it's pretty fleeting........

Absolutely. Thanks to mj.

And to the broader readership: retaining by definition is......just retaining. What else could it be, if you understand the process.

Contrary to what was said by one member in this thread, there is no "gentle" tension which is a sub-stimulus, yet somehow still a stimulus from the skin's perspective (this is illogical, a contradiction in terms, and more importantly, it's contrary to what is known of the mitotic process). See how that fails?

(Information:

The stimulus to call up the cascade of chemical growth factors (carried to the site, by the way, not generated at the site) is either there, or it isn't, from the skin's perspective; if it's below a certain value it would never be seen by the stratum basale (the active layer where mitosis happens). It was protected from "seeing it" by the normal strechiness of skin.In other words, even if there was a bit of tension, the normal built-in stretch factor of the skin (one of skin's protective roles) would still be...... a little temporarily stretched skin, and that's all. Nature's plan. Happens all the time when you sit down, as an example. So in other words, retaining is just retaining, not stimulating the adding of cells. You are either tugging, or retaining, from the skin' perspective.

What that member continues to miss is that "stretching" (his word; god, will it ever go away) is only the stimulus, not the process. That mistake, now a long standing restoration myth, is as old as restoration forums. The actual process of growth is internal, "programmed", and "chemical", not external and mechanical; mitosis is a totally bio-chemical process, not governed by force. This much is known by established science.

On the old forum D. used to compare tension to a horseman digging his spurs into the flanks of his mount. The horse goes, the rider then relaxes and rides. The horse does the running, not the rider or his spurs. The horse is a separate, living entity, follows its own rules of motion, and can decide to NOT go if he chooses. In a similar way the skin is a distinct, living organ, complete and separate from tension when it follows the usual pattern of cell division. Horse responds to spurs, but the spurs don't run; spurs don't make the legs move, the horse's response to the spurs does. Skin responds to "stretch" of a high enough value, but the stretch doesn't make or shape the skin, it only stimulates the skin (like kicking the horse's flanks) to "run", ie respond internally (if it chooses to), to add more cells than it would've normally. Again, it does this according to its programmed, internal rules of growing).

Upshot: So, the message is: retain sensibly if you choose to retain; no problem. Retaining can be very useful. Retaining will keep skin temporarily fixed at a certain point, in our case over an anatomical feature (sulcus, glans). It won't cause anything else to happen. Physiology, not "stretch", rules the entire process of cell division, and rules the growth and natural placement of those cells as they divide, live, and die.

[hardacroposthion]

Obviously INFO, you don't experiment much...

[Guest]

Obviously INFO, you don't experiment much...

Experiment? You mean like scientific experiments? Or playing with my dick.

What I actually don't do, is make up shit. That would be one difference between us. Well........that, and higher education/several associated careers/practical application/experience, all of which I borrow from.

I critique forum bullshit when it's important, or just totally ridiculous (safety) and provide supporting information. You've tried to "critique" by ... only making your comment above? Not strong at all. Have a supporting argument.

My advice is to first look up the definition of the Dunning Kruger effect. I think it explains why you go on falling short. And then I'd suggest you (and be really happy about if you do) begin researching the basics of epidermal mitosis. As D. used to say, just sit down and read a JC level A&P text. You'll be better for it, and it's interesting stuff.

But needless to say, I ain't holdin' my breath.

[hardacroposthion]

Experiment? You mean like scientific experiments? Or playing with my dick.

What I actually don't do, is make up shit. That would be one difference between us.

Well... If we are in a foreskin restoration forum, it is obvious I'm talking about experimenting with stuff on your foreskin, don't you think? Your obtuseness and arrogance does not allow you to see someone else's perspective on the matter.

But since you think that that I'm "making up shit", check my new post and photos of me wearing o-rings; from late spring of 2014 until now.

[Guest]

Well... If we are in a foreskin restoration forum, it is obvious I'm talking about experimenting with stuff on your foreskin, don't you think? Your obtuseness and arrogance does not allow you to see someone else's perspective on the matter.

But since you think that that I'm "making up shit", check my new post and photos of me wearing o-rings; from late spring of 2014 until now.

If you were circumcised, you don't have a "foreskin". You will never have a foreskin. And photos are never "proof" of anything on the internet, and certainly NOT proof that you've single handedly and successfully gone against the natural rules involved.

If you think that "experimenting with stuff" is anything but a vague, worthless statement for the membership here, and not a supporting statement (but a indicator of where you live, that's for sure), then you still need to look of that definition I suggested.

Even you probably know that I've personally said (ad nauseam) on this and other forums that all tuggers need to 'experiment' with methods, schedules, etc. So it isn't clear why you cling to that word, especially without defining it. Other finished members on this forum have used the same word many time. So it's hardly a breakthrough (just like your "cyclic" tension wasn't a "special sauce" to anyone but you). EVERYBODY has to "experiment" to find what works for them.

But much more importantly (listen up, see if you can grasp this), it has never been suggested that experimenting works for biasing the physiological mandate that we all live with. THAT'S the point you just don't get. You can "experiment" all you want to affect the natural rules, but those rules simply aren't in your hands, which is the OTHER point you don't get. It's not about you and your 'special efforts'. It will never be about just you. Hell, I even explained why, and I did it simply so that you could respond, but you either didn't get it (which is my guess at this point), or you're evading it.

You think, that because you showed up and said a buncha nonsense, that I did the same thing. You think that you and I are the same, ie you think that I'm making up what I"ve said. But I didn't. I quote, or refer to, basic, known and repeatedly demonstrated physiological facts, gleaned from scientific research. I'm not like you, just another under-educated forum strutter. The facts I refer to can be verified by any intelligent person out there, to see if what I say is true or not. Try it. Because for the few of us who can read between the lines, you need ... something to say that sounds real, and is helpful.

[hardacroposthion]

I tried my best. Obviously you live in a very square place. I stand by what I said prior... You are rude, arrogant, and obtuse.

[mjwise]

With all due respect, if you look at this retention point from another perspective, when you retain, you are tugging gently, much the same way an expanding disc stretches skin when you put them in your earlobes. It is not a big deal of stretch, but those discs will eventually make the earlobe holes bigger. And like I've said before, and on this we are in total agreement, never wear a retainer at night if don't have the skin. If you want to know if you have the skin, do an erection test with a ring on, and see what happens. Perhaps nocturnal erections are fleeting, but they are still tugging session regardless.

The problem with your comparison is that earlobe discs are exerting tension on the skin to expand the skin. Men with tight foreskins do the same thing when they put in rings in the foreskin opening to exert tension on and expand the foreskin opening by growing more skin. The key word in all cases is tension. Putting o-rings on the end of your penis is not really causing tension. It's the opposite in some ways - with an o-ring, you are compressing skin, which does not grow skin. There is some transient tension with an erection, but quite little of it compared to modern restoration devices and manual tugging methods.

In the pre-device era, lots of men tried tape rings and o-rings to restore. They were cheap and readily available, but such methods exert too little tension to be an effective restoration strategy. Modern devices and manual methods are far better at actually growing skin, which is the whole aim of restoration to begin with.

I say this as someone who retains with the Your Skin Cone overnight to maintain full coverage during nocturnal erections. I think it's a fine thing to do, it just won't grow much skin.

[hardacroposthion]

I just follow my intuition in the way I use my rings. And by the say the tension feels in both inner and outer skin, I know that I can adjust tension by moving the rings up and down the growing skin. I might have started wearing one o-ring while sleeping at night, but as soon as my erections felt little skin tension, I added a second ring. And as the skin started to loosen up, I added another ring, and another, and another.

Presently I wear 6 rings at night, and as many as I want during the day. And I adjust the location of the ring up or down the new growing skin, to add or lessen the pull of shaft skin forward. For a really good tugging session, I pull as much skin through my o-rings as possible. Then I push my tip skin over the rings as much as I can, or until I feel my skin burning inside. This assures that the inner skin is being tugged at the same level as the outer. Usually, I can only tolerate this for no longer than 30 minutes. At this point I pull and twist my rings to lessen the tension. I repeat this on and off through the day, as often or as little as I want. Seems to work just fine. I just wondering if this might work for other curious restorers.