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  • Reality
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    I would flag the meaningless post just above, but I don't have the capability. Perhaps the poster can explain his (dysfunctional) thought process? Posting here assumes posts can help members, not serve the agenda of some individual member.

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  • Reality
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    Know what else we know? The "idea" of restoration is "totally possible". Here's why: some of us here have finished the process, and we see the result we expected and wanted, so it's not an idea for us; it's (cough) reality. We also know that we didn't simply "stretch" our skin to get there, which did NOT result in clinical hyperplasia, but rather of (technically) hypergenisis via accelerated mitotic activity, as I'm sure you must've known. Perhaps you can discuss THAT for us.

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  • cmm6635
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    I'll start by saying that I am a physician , and I believe in restoration! I'm in my early 30s and starting restoring about 4 months ago. I actually stumbled upon a restoration article in some sort of current magazine like GQ or something. It peaked my interest, and therefore I started doing more research. The idea of foreskin restoration is totally possible, all-be-it not to the extent we were made with as far as nerve endings etc go, but by all means, the true stretching of skin and hyperplasia of dermal and epidermal cells is very real, and possible. Look at ear lobe gauging for goodness sake and say it's not possible?! I am sorry to hear about your story "the missing piece." It is most assuredly very traumatizing to loose a piece of yourself (physically and emotionally) as an adult. I will say, be sure you are completely healed from a circumcision standpoint prior to beginning any sort of restoration regimen. I'm sure you know this, but it never hurts to post it! I wish you all the best!

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  • The missing piece
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    Well, I got my wife pregnant so at least that part's taken care of. Time to get tugging...

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  • Reality
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    Is it "ignorance" or is it as you've described, for "easy money"? In the US it's both, with ignorance arising from the old boy network and their arrogance. I've been yelled at for questioning a physician many times (when they've written bad orders), and I just raise my voice to the same level, pointing to the other elephant in the room, the legal issue involved. That's when they shut up. Lol, my personal physician even wrote me a letter telling me that he no longer wanted to treat me because I questioned him, so I queried the insurance carrier, which told me that he was already in hot water due to the number of complaints he had. So I wrote him a letter, pointing to the mistakes he and his staff had made (again, legal mistakes) and quoting the carrier. I ran into him in a supremarket, so I asked him "Questions, comments"?. lol, asshole. I don't suffer gladly.

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  • BelgianChris
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    I’m really surprised with the ignorance in the medical community, it’s so sad. A while back I went to speak with a urologist that spoke out against non-medically required circumcisions and I also showed him my progress. He told me he spoke to a few patients that were restoring or wanted to start, but that he didn’t believe it works, or at least he felt like for many people it wouldn’t. I showed several examples next to my own, and then he had to admit that it works at least. He explained that because of the slow progress, he wouldn’t recommend it to people, just because he was afraid that if they already felt bad about their circumcised status, failing in restoring could make matters worse. I do understand his concerns, but at the same time I’m planning to start a website and publish an e-book there to share my story and create awareness. I’ve also asked this urologist to take an active part in this, but haven’t got a reply yet. I’m also launching a petition to have circumcision for non-medical reasons banned by law, and to at least ask parliament to stop using tax money to pay for this madness. He also told me that he felt like many urologists in Belgium keep on performing religious circumcisions because it’s easy money. He himself refuses to do them nowadays, so I hope to get him involved in my project as it would add a lot of credibility. He’s at the top of his field in Belgium and also appeared in a tv series about top doctors, so just for that reason I hope he’ll support my efforts. He has agreed to review my book anyhow, so that’s a good start!

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  • Reality
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    Of course, the above does NOT describe neonatal circ, except when the OB (or his assistant) are clueless (uneducated) enough to that think he or she is performing neonatal circ as the "right thing" for future function and health.

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  • Reality
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    Yes, all physicians would have those same treatment treatment guidelines in mind; guidelines they would put in comparison to your condition's diagnosis and prognosis. Ironically they have future function in mind as do we rstorers, and see medical circ as a treatment which will save that function for you (hence the irony). So..............not a conspiracy, but rather an attempt to do the right thing for you. This is what makes the intactivist situation complicated. We can only come at the situation with a detailed description of the procedure itself; a standardized procedure in other words, with the recognition that "the right thing" rests on the concept of tissue sparing in the attempt at saving "function".

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  • The missing piece
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    I definitely don't blame my urologist, because his was the exact same opinion I got from a whole bunch of other physicians. Believe me, I went for second, third, fourth and fifth opinions! At least he examined me before prescribing circumcision, since one doctor even wanted me to make an appointment for circ without having even looked at me -- that's how lightly they take these decisions! It's just the way it is in the medical world, I don't think they give alternative treatments any thought at all and they sincerely believe foreskins are redundant bits of flesh you won't miss. At least that's the impression I get from my dealings with them; I first visited a bunch of doctors about it when I was 18 and things hadn't changed at all 12 years later. I had also asked about partial circ but they pretty much unanimously dismissed it offhand. At least I was lucky enough to get a somewhat loose circ which makes it easier to get started on restoration.

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  • Reality
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    Originally posted by parsecskin View Post

    Doctors are SUPPOSED to recommend the LEAST invasive treatments FIRST. That being stretching (with steroid cream if needed). And any cutting should be at an absolute minimum. You should sue the bastard for malpractice.
    If that urologist wanted to be paid for his efforts (not to mention avoid a malpractice charge), he needed to ask the patient's insurance carrier for permission to do the procedure.He's done that many times. At that point, his request is compared to a set of guidelines which specify only several, specific symptoms needing to be present, for approval. That's the way it works.

    Medical circumcision isn't a conspiracy, it's a reviewed and approved procedure, involving a number of parties, and specified guidelines. The urologist needed to submit his clinical notes substantiating his request. Those notes have to describe the patient's condition, and the time frame involved in treating that condition. No one here is privy to that information; not you or Quark. However, your first clue was the OP's description of a "severe" condition. This implies the patient was at risk if left untreated. If either of you had any sincere intactivist interests you would know this, and stay away from giving clueless, ineffective "advice"; in other words you would have to know all the speciifics of the patient's, situation.

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  • Quark
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    Originally posted by parsecskin View Post

    Doctors are SUPPOSED to recommend the LEAST invasive treatments FIRST. That being stretching (with steroid cream if needed). And any cutting should be at an absolute minimum. You should sue the bastard for malpractice.
    Agreed. He should talk to a lawyer or at least lodge a complaint with whatever medical ethics boards are available in his area because until unethical doctors are held accountable, that urologist will treat the next guy with the same contempt and disregard for his foreskin.

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  • Nabb
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    Man, I’m sorry to hear about your situation, but I’m glad to see that you have a positive outlook on it. Even if you don’t have anyone to talk with about it, I think pretty much all of the guys on this forum understand the desire to have their foreskin back. It may not be face to face communication, but we at least get that part of your struggle.

    I would use manual methods for a while until you can gain some additional slack skin. I’ve been trying to do more manual lately in addition to using a homemade, weighted tugger in the morning. I’m also 30, and I’ve been restoring for a little over three years. I have way more slack skin than when I started three years ago, but I know I’m also still quite a way away from achieving my desired end state (which is full flaccid coverage). But restoring definitely does work. You just have to persevere through all the days where you don’t see progress, because you won’t see progress from day to day.

    If it helps any (and hopefully, this doesn’t make it worse!), at least you know what it was like to have had your foreskin. Personally, I can’t help but wonder what my natural penis would have looked like, felt like, etc. I’ll never have the pleasure of knowing any of that. Despite the current frustration of the situation, at least you can be glad that half of your penis skin wasn’t taken from you the day you came into this world.

    Find a routine(s) you can stick with, and keep tugging til you get what you want.

    Best of luck.

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  • parsecskin
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    Originally posted by The missing piece View Post
    No, nothing like that; it was simply due to the fact that having sex without a condom was a risky venture due to my phimosis (it was very tight and I would have risked tearing my foreskin), and as long as we didn't plan on having children it made sense to wear a condom anyways. When we decided to try for one, I had to resolve the phimosis issue first. Of course, I wish I had researched more about stretching and stuff like that but it's no use crying over spilt milk.
    Doctors are SUPPOSED to recommend the LEAST invasive treatments FIRST. That being stretching (with steroid cream if needed). And any cutting should be at an absolute minimum. You should sue the bastard for malpractice.

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  • Reality
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    Originally posted by The missing piece View Post
    No, nothing like that; it was simply due to the fact that having sex without a condom was a risky venture due to my phimosis (it was very tight and I would have risked tearing my foreskin), and as long as we didn't plan on having children it made sense to wear a condom anyways. When we decided to try for one, I had to resolve the phimosis issue first. Of course, I wish I had researched more about stretching and stuff like that but it's no use crying over spilt milk.
    Good attitude, sir. Good luck in all your endeavors.

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