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    Hi everyone,

    First of all thanks those people who contribute to this BB. I was nicely surprised to discover this forum.
    It may sound weird but month ago I did not know that restoration was possible.

    I was not circumscribed for religious reasons. When I was around 9 or so my glans got stuck inside foreskin and I could not move it out fully, after trying with doctors they could not get my glans out and doctor decided to cut the top part of foreskin. It is somewhere around CI-5. Now I am 31 and start to think about restoring my foreskin. I don't have much sensitivity left on my glans, especially during the blow jobs I don't feel anything and there is no full joy in sex.

    I thinking about restoring from CI-5 to CI-9. So I have some questions to experienced 'restorers':

    1. What should be the best method to start restoration? or should I combine few methods?

    2. How much time should dedicate to it daily and approximately how long it will take me to reach CI-9?


    Good luck to anyone restoring.

    Last edited by musampa; 06-18-2016, 10:27 PM.

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    • #3
      I’m restored, and I used manual methods only. Starting with methods 1 and 3, my routines were very short tugging sessions, no longer than 2 to 3 minutes in duration, on an hourly basis. Using cyclic tensioning like this provided me with the best results.

      In your case, since you say you are a CI-5 already, I would start training your foreskin to wear an o-ring to retain when not tugging. By keeping the skin retained with a rubber gasket, not only you will keep the skin stretched in front of your glans at all times, but also you will start the dekeratinization process on your glans, turning it more supple and sensitive.

      Also, if I were you, I would start using the Squeeze-Stretch technique. By combining all of these methods and routines, your skin growth should proceed at a steady pace.

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      • #4
        Thanks you Rockshae9 and hardacroposthion for your replies.

        I was surprised to see that none of you recommend any tugging devices. Seems like manual method should be fine to go.

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        • #5
          To be honest with you, I tried the DTR when I first started restoring, and I did not like it at all. And the reason for me getting rid of this very popular device has to do with the difficulty of placing the skin just right on the plates.

          I realized early on that the best way to restore fast was to use method 3 whenever I had the privacy to do so, and eventually scheduled my short tugging session to be done on an hourly basis. Cyclical tensioning done for short periods of time many times a day is the way to go. If on top of using manual method 3, you also use o-rings to retain when you are not tugging, you would be forcing your foreskin to grow no matter what. Furthermore, once you get your skin used to wearing o-rings all day long, you can also start training your foreskin to be tugged while wearing the rings, which will bring your skin from low tension, to high tension, and back to low tension again, never letting the skin to go back to its default relaxed state.

          Eventually you can move to Pulling and Twisting, which is the Squeeze-Stretch technique, but you twist your skin as you pull it. This adds diagonal tugging to your foreskin.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by musampa View Post
            Thanks you Rockshae9 and hardacroposthion for your replies.

            I was surprised to see that none of you recommend any tugging devices. Seems like manual method should be fine to go.
            As far as devices go, they are generally convenient to wear when you are at work, as an example, and your attention is occupied. You still have to adjust them from time to time, but obviously that doesn't take the focus that a manual method does. Otherwise, devices don't do anything magic. Some can be more comfortable than others, but tension on skin is what stimulates skin to respond by growing, and all methods (devices, manual) cause on/off tension on skin.

            As far as glans sensitivity goes (your first post), nobody's glans is very sensitive, and never will be. The neurons beneath glans tissue aren't the high sensitivity type. Your glans does play a small part in sensation, but not a significant one.

            Cycles of tension: we all do cycles. We can't do anything but cycles. Some of us do fewer per session than others, but we all do cycles.

            And lastly, it doesn't matter what direction tension is placed on skin, forwards, backwards, out to the "sides", or "twisted", it stimulates skin to grow in place, to add cells in place. Tension never shapes, forms, or affects skin to do anything other than grow a few additional cells at a time, in place. Nothing else can possibly happen, contrary to those few who say it can (example above). They simply have no understanding of basic human physiology. They're ignorant of the process, in other words. Adding skin growth follows a natural, in-place "programed" response that you were born with, so you don't have to do anything, ever, other than place tension on skin, to get what you want.
            Last edited by Info; 06-18-2016, 12:08 PM.

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            • #7
              Musampa, keep in mind that some of us are already done with our restoration, while others are still working on theirs...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hardacroposthion View Post
                Musampa, keep in mind that some of us are already done with our restoration, while others are still working on theirs...
                LOL you keep saying this; I finished years ago but what you don't seem to understand is, that's beside the point.

                What I state comes from basic human physiology, on a high school level. So I have to wonder about your claiming a major in biology. What I state can be confirmed by simple online research.

                Some guy on a forum who claims to have finished tugging on his dick, be that you or me, hardly makes for being an authority on the actual science involved, but you go on implying that it can. That's ridiculous, of course. Claiming you've finished so-called restoration doesn't give you any insight into the science involved. Actually, claiming it does is called a straw man argument, a recognized evasive strategy; an evasion from any pertinent information.

                Rigorous college-level study and beyond (me, not you), and applying that study in a professional setting, does carry some familiarity with the established scientific basics. That's how I can see through you. You're used to the average guy on forums, who is usually a newbie, and unfamiliar with science in general. Like you, for instance. So that's what you appeal to; the same tired forum nonsense, and never anything above that.

                If you haven't heard of the Dunning Kruger effect then I'd suggest you look it up, see if you can grasp what several of us have said to you.
                Last edited by Info; 06-18-2016, 09:09 PM.

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                • #9
                  INFO, I really don't care at this point on academic work that's full of theory. What I'm trying to convey here is what I've found through my own restoration, in comparison to the average mainstream of restorers. And good for you that you are fully restored. Hope you are really enjoying the fruits of your labor.

                  It seems to me that most men love their devices out of simple convenience, but it takes them longer to achieve their goals for the most part. In my case, I managed to grow 5 CI levels in a matter of a year. In other words, there are other, more efficient ways to restore a prepuce. Manual method 2 sucks, so I came up with my own version of it. And it works marvels to grow outer skin. The Squeeze-Stretch methods does not use its full potential, so I added a twist to it. And it works well. I don't use o-rings just to retain, but also as a tugger, by wearing as many rings as my skin can take with a rings tube. To continue adding length to my foreskin, I can sleep with 6 o-rings at night without any discomfort. And it is working as planned.

                  Elsewhere you implied that I'm faking my claims. You can go to restoringforeskin.org, open an account there, search for the user Andre, and look at my progress pictures there. There you will see that I went from a CI-3 to a CI-8 within the year.

                  And for the record, I'm not only used to newbies, but long time restorers as well. Many restorers are not happy with the paltry results obtained by using a DTR or TLC, no matter how long they've worn the darned things. If something does not work within a reasonable amount of time, then they should try something else. But since everyone says that foreskin restoration takes forever, they continue chugging along a device that does not work properly for 5 or 10 years. This mindset is unacceptable. There are ways to restore faster.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hardacroposthion View Post
                    INFO, I really don't care at this point on academic work that's full of theory. What I'm trying to convey here is what I've found through my own restoration, in comparison to the average mainstream of restorers. And good for you that you are fully restored. Hope you are really enjoying the fruits of your labor.

                    It seems to me that most men love their devices out of simple convenience, but it takes them longer to achieve their goals for the most part. In my case, I managed to grow 5 CI levels in a matter of a year. In other words, there are other, more efficient ways to restore a prepuce. Manual method 2 sucks, so I came up with my own version of it. And it works marvels to grow outer skin. The Squeeze-Stretch methods does not use its full potential, so I added a twist to it. And it works well. I don't use o-rings just to retain, but also as a tugger, by wearing as many rings as my skin can take with a rings tube. To continue adding length to my foreskin, I can sleep with 6 o-rings at night without any discomfort. And it is working as planned.

                    Elsewhere you implied that I'm faking my claims. You can go to restoringforeskin.org, open an account there, search for the user Andre, and look at my progress pictures there. There you will see that I went from a CI-3 to a CI-8 within the year.

                    And for the record, I'm not only used to newbies, but long time restorers as well. Many restorers are not happy with the paltry results obtained by using a DTR or TLC, no matter how long they've worn the darned things. If something does not work within a reasonable amount of time, then they should try something else. But since everyone says that foreskin restoration takes forever, they continue chugging along a device that does not work properly for 5 or 10 years. This mindset is unacceptable. There are ways to restore faster.
                    Don't care, or don't understand? If you understood then you'd know that I've only referred to the very basics in epidermal mitosis, NOT "academic work...full of theory". You don't seem to recognize this simple fact, so I have to assume the you aren't aware of it; in fact you still haven't seemed to understand it. No theory involved, just repeated scientific observation, taught in any high school in this country. So right away you've flashed us with your panties on this. But I understand, you tried "science", got called on it, so you're backing away from it now.

                    But knowing the basics is important; those here who understand them can walk up to those who "don't care or don't know" to keep setting the record straight. Too much BS on restoration forums. Knowing basic information serves to counter the ongoing myth that never seems to die on forums, and, knowing the basics is just part of helping guys who are thinking about doing something that will change part of their life for the better. No small thing, that. The focus is on them, but you want it on you. That's the fundamental 'tell' that you continually show. The science involved, if you grasp it, tells you that you have nothing to worry about in tugging. You only have to begin. Good message. Contrary to what you say. See?

                    You can feel anyway you want about devices, although it's ironic that you've mentioned one which helps fund (I would imagine) this forum. They do have a purpose in their own right. But none of them "restore a prepuce". None of them; no manual method, no magical technique or chemical, or schedule of any kind will ever do that. See, it's your language that offends, because it reflects what you don't know; it just supports the same old forum nonsense. We will never have a "prepuce". It was taken. So showing a little accuracy, a little perspective, is better than not caring. I know you don't know, you know you don't know, but the newbies don't know that, so someone has to provide a little balance in all this. This thread is a good example of needed balance.

                    So have you finished? I don't know. But you can see why I doubt it, because you base it on a wild claim that ignores the basic physiology that Nature follows, and you put everything in language that doesn't reflect the experience of tugging. Nature doesn't read "academic works", or your posts. Nature follows it's own rules. If you know the rules, then you know why a claim that flies in the face of those rules flies right into the ground. Doesn't really matter, though; I'm not going after that claim at this point, because you don't understand it. I go after the nonsense about anyone having finished making them an authority on the science behind what happens when someone tugs. You tried to stand next to the science, I guess in an attempt to impress the newbies, and you just aren't up to it. Not for those of us who can lean on the science. Help the newbies, don't try to smoke them with how special you are for knowing the 'one true way'.

                    And as far as photos go, I'll echo a member of the old forum: they're meaningless. Anybody on a forum can fake them, or claim some other person's photos. Photos just aren't proof of anything transferable to another member, and certainly not of anything like a general rule. But language can be meaningful, or an indicator at least, if it has the ring of truth, which will always be recognized by those who've been there, and, unlike your language, doesn't state the "there's only one way" nonsense you hammer away at. Offer it as what worked for you, and then give details. It's all about the details. If there are any.

                    Or.......claim anything you want, who cares, it's the internet where claimants hide behind their own failing, but if you base it on unhelpful, self-focused nonsense, then somebody here will say: "Bullshit". You'll just have to get used to it.
                    Last edited by Info; 06-19-2016, 12:41 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by musampa View Post
                      I thinking about restoring from CI-5 to CI-9. So I have some questions to experienced 'restorers':

                      1. What should be the best method to start restoration? or should I combine few methods?

                      2. How much time should dedicate to it daily and approximately how long it will take me to reach CI-9?
                      A. The "best method" is the one that works best for you. Tugging in it's various form is the only tried and true method. Whether you use The Tugger, the DTR, a PUD, tape, cannister or whatever is up to you. Those here mostly use The Tugger or TLC-X but a lot of the people here also use the DTR. I'd recommend starting w/The Tugger and go from there.

                      B. As for how long to tug, that's up to you as well. Despite what some people think, there is NO SINGLE correct method. There are a lot of methods. I just got through saying the same thing in another thread. Some people think that you can just tug for 15 mins a couple times a day and you'll be done in no time BUT that is NOT the experience of most of us who have been restoring for years and it is NOT the experience of Ron (the owner/operator) of this site.

                      Ron did an informal study about the rate of foreskin growth by tugging a few years ago and this is what he had to say about it just this past Dec 2015 and what he recommended to another tugging newbie about how much time he should devote to tugging:

                      "In 2010 we studied 25 men who logged their tugging hours and charted their skin gains for 6 months. They averaged 11 hours per day under tension and improved the force reach by 3mm per month. 70mm divided by 3mm per month is 23 1/3 months. But before the tiny brief 2010 trial our best estimate from studying photos was 1mm per month improvement. So maybe it takes you 70 months. Somewhere in between 2 years and 6 years lies the truth.

                      I suggest you plan on tugging with gentle tension 11 hours per day and wearing your skin passively retained over the glans during all non-tugging hours. Be patient. Never tolerate pain. Take well-lighted before pictures from various angles. Log your FEC monthly or quarterly so you'll know if your regimen needs refinement."

                      Refer to Post #5 here: https://foreskinrestoration.vbulleti...he-restoration

                      C. And, as for how long it will take you to make the jump from Ci-5 to CI-9, the answer is NO ONE knows. Too many variables are involved. Any specific answer would be complete speculation. However, all of us "experienced restorers" know that it almost certainly will take you years to achieve it. Good luck!

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                      • #12
                        Thanks a lot for your inputs, I really appreciate your recommendations.

                        Really practical and useful tips I read here, it will take me some time before I find my optimal method and I am thinking starting with Method 3 and o-rings. Kind of exciting about restoration and looking forward to see my penis nicely covered with skin

                        Thanks again all of you for your suggestions.

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